What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.

[Eleanor]

Unfortunately, I am well experienced with that kind of window, and how it may be opened.

I have read the other posts, some time ago.

I also engaged with discussion with Pegasus on that issue.

However, the fact remains, Kate McCann's prints were identified.

Why wouldn't they be?  She had been living in the appartment for five days.

[G-Unit]

Why wouldn't they be?  She had been living in the appartment for five days.

During which time the window, curtains and shutters were not touched;

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

[pathfinder73]

No-one saw Madeleine leave the apartment by herself - so why don't you rule that possibility out on the same grounds?

So what if Kates' fingerprints were on the window.  If she put her hand on the open window pane while she leaned out to look outside - then they would be there.   IMO

Why do you think they were there Stephen?  You never do explain - you just hint that it's some kind of proof of Kate's guilt.  So what exactly is your theory for why Kate's fingerprints were there?

The finger print evidence doesn't add up to leaning out or all her fingers would be present. When you lean out you use your hand as support not two fingers.

"middle finger of the left hand (3x) and forefinger of the left hand (2x)"

right hand pic


p.s. Kate didn't say she leaned out of the window in her statements.

[Alfie]

During which time the window, curtains and shutters were not touched;

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Allegedly - we have no proof that Kate McCann is telling the truth or remembering correctly.

[Benice]

During which time the window, curtains and shutters were not touched;

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

From Kate's book:-

On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains.  We left them that way all week.
End quote

It is possible that Kate had briefly touched a window at that time.   It's also very possible  that she wouldn't remember doing something so trivial.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

From Kate's book:-

On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains.  We left them that way all week.
End quote

It is possible that Kate had briefly touched a window at that time.   It's also very possible  that she wouldn't remember doing something so trivial.

AIMHO

It is also evidently possible , she did it on the night Madeleine disappeared, which would explain a lot.

AIMHO.

[Mr Gray]

It is also evidently possible , she did it on the night Madeleine disappeared, which would explain a lot.

AIMHO.

as i understnd there is evdidence of other prints on the window...not just kates

[pathfinder73]

as i understnd there is evdidence of other prints on the window...not just kates

Cite?

[Robittybob1]

as i understnd there is evdidence of other prints on the window...not just kates

I took it like that too, the only mention is to Kate's finger print was that they take her claim of not touching the window all week very literally.  All the others hence were eliminated.  Someone closed the window so how did they do that without leaving prints?

[Mr Gray]

Cite?

were there not some partial unidentified prints

[Brietta]

I took it like that too, the only mention is to Kate's finger print was that they take her claim of not touching the window all week very literally.  All the others hence were eliminated.  Someone closed the window so how did they do that without leaving prints?

Where did she claim that, Robbity?

[pathfinder73]

were there not some partial unidentified prints

Not on the inside of the window.  Dianne Webster's prints should be on the shutter and Gerry - three inadequate prints were recovered.

At 11:00am on 4 May 2007 I, IT, assistant-specialist, began to examine the following location:
At apartment 5A, Ocean Club:

- Side of the patio door: One adequate print recovered but not matched to known persons.

- Outside of one patio door: Eight inadequate prints were recovered.- Outside of [the other] patio door: One inadequate print was recovered.- Outside of the external blinds to the children's bedroom: three inadequate prints were recovered.

Date: 2007/05/18

Service Information

To: The Coordinator of the Investigation, G. Amaral

From: Assistant Specialist Irene Trovao

Subject: Identification of finger print

I inform you that according to report nº 140/07 there is a single finger print with sufficient value for identification.

It was revealed with Dragon Blood and gathered from the side of the living room window/door of Ocean Club apartment 5 A on 4th May 2007 after the disappearance of the child.

This morning Officer Silva delivered various fingerprints belonging to his officers who were on duty at the apartment on the night of 3 – 4 May 2007.

These were compared to the finger print which was identified as being that of Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa of the Lagos GNR.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

[Robittybob1]

Where did she claim that, Robbity?

Doesn't that post explain it? http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8185.msg405212#msg405212

[Brietta]

Doesn't that post explain it? http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8185.msg405212#msg405212

Thank you

[Benice]

It is also evidently possible , she did it on the night Madeleine disappeared, which would explain a lot.

AIMHO.

What would it explain IYO?