What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.

[Robittybob1]

I have leaned towards the theory that the intruder had a key to the wooden door and made entry from there

However Horrocks' notion of how entry was made is worth looking at and it is something which the forum has previously discussed.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg232924#msg232924

Horrocks says "These actions could be seen from within the Ocean Club area, as well as from the alleyway that runs between this and the apartment. Due to the height of the wall and foliage on top of it, as well as the area inside being well lit, in contrast to the darkness elsewhere, those dining would have been easily observed whilst anyone in the alleyway could remain unseen. Sunset on the 3rd May 2007 was at 8.25pm, so it would have been getting quite dark by 9pm.

Anyone observing their routine would have known that they had at least 20 minutes between each check. They would have observed the group for a few minutes and then gone to the apartment. At the end of the alleyway they could see that the road was clear, it is then only literally a second for someone to go through the gate and into the garden area, where they would be virtually out of sight. It is then simple to enter the apartment through the patio doors, which although closed, had been left unlocked."  End Quote

I don't think it would have been necessary for an intruder to be exposed using the road to the gate ... it would have been easy enough to get across the wall and gain entry from the garden.

Margaret Hall who had been baby sitting in apartment 5a the year prior to Madeleine's disappearance recounted witnessing a man lurking in the shadows ... we had some discussion whether that was at the front of the building or poolside.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg232924#msg232924

In my opinion her encounter was poolside.
Which certainly ties in with what Horrocks has said about the ease of access from that area.

How high were the fences between the private gardens?

[faithlilly]

I have leaned towards the theory that the intruder had a key to the wooden door and made entry from there

However Horrocks' notion of how entry was made is worth looking at and it is something which the forum has previously discussed.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg232924#msg232924

Horrocks says "These actions could be seen from within the Ocean Club area, as well as from the alleyway that runs between this and the apartment. Due to the height of the wall and foliage on top of it, as well as the area inside being well lit, in contrast to the darkness elsewhere, those dining would have been easily observed whilst anyone in the alleyway could remain unseen. Sunset on the 3rd May 2007 was at 8.25pm, so it would have been getting quite dark by 9pm.

Anyone observing their routine would have known that they had at least 20 minutes between each check. They would have observed the group for a few minutes and then gone to the apartment. At the end of the alleyway they could see that the road was clear, it is then only literally a second for someone to go through the gate and into the garden area, where they would be virtually out of sight. It is then simple to enter the apartment through the patio doors, which although closed, had been left unlocked."  End Quote

I don't think it would have been necessary for an intruder to be exposed using the road to the gate ... it would have been easy enough to get across the wall and gain entry from the garden.

Margaret Hall who had been baby sitting in apartment 5a the year prior to Madeleine's disappearance recounted witnessing a man lurking in the shadows ... we had some discussion whether that was at the front of the building or poolside.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg232924#msg232924

In my opinion her encounter was poolside.
Which certainly ties in with what Horrocks has said about the ease of access from that area.

So are you saying that if the patio doors hadn't been left ajar in all possibility Madeleine would not have been taken ?

[Robittybob1]

Brietta - What do you mean by encounter?  "In my opinion her encounter was poolside."

[pathfinder73]

Are we saying that they coldly decided that Madeleine was dead and then put together an elaborate plan to dispose of her body? Did Gerry McCann simply walk down the road with his daughter’s body and dispose of it, and then calmly go out for dinner. This is ridiculous in the extreme.

The fact is the man the Smiths saw is still unidentified and he wasn't seen before dinner. Horrocks can't even get his facts right and should never rule anything out without evidence.

[stephen25000]

So the thousands of parents who have done exactly the same on holiday and also regularly left their children alone whilst they went to dinner - are all criminals IYO?    So why are some of them still doing the same - and why have none of them  been arrested?

I've never seen any evidence of the 'happy new life' which you infer the McCann family went home to enjoy.  AFAIAC if they were guilty - then a life which consists of living a lie every day and having to watch every word they ever said for the rest of their lives -  is not a life worth living.  The stress of having to do that - especially in public - would be intolerable.   Why would anyone choose such a vile life for themselves given the choice?

The McCanns did have a choice - they could have returned home - requested privacy - and just kept their heads down until it all disappeared from the public's mind.   

However,  It is glaringly obvious that the fact  they chose to do the opposite and kept asking for the case to be re-investigated are not the actions of guilty people - by any stretch of the imagination. 

The idea that they returned home to enjoy a new life could not be further from the truth  imo.

AIMHO

You keep saying, thousands of people have done the same.

Now cite some data to back it up please.

[Angelo222]

So the thousands of parents who have done exactly the same on holiday and also regularly left their children alone whilst they went to dinner - are all criminals IYO?    So why are some of them still doing the same - and why have none of them  been arrested?

I've never seen any evidence of the 'happy new life' which you infer the McCann family went home to enjoy.  AFAIAC if they were guilty - then a life which consists of living a lie every day and having to watch every word they ever said for the rest of their lives -  is not a life worth living.  The stress of having to do that - especially in public - would be intolerable.   Why would anyone choose such a vile life for themselves given the choice?

The McCanns did have a choice - they could have returned home - requested privacy - and just kept their heads down until it all disappeared from the public's mind.   

However,  It is glaringly obvious that the fact  they chose to do the opposite and kept asking for the case to be re-investigated are not the actions of guilty people - by any stretch of the imagination. 

The idea that they returned home to enjoy a new life could not be further from the truth  imo.

AIMHO

This happens in hotels where the facilities are all under one roof and where there are listening services.  Leaving small children all alone in an unsecured apartment immediately adjacent to a public road while the parents went off dining and socialising was irresponsible.  It matters little whether it was 50 metres away or 5 miles, events can occur where youngsters are concerned.

What is all the more galling about this case is the fact that facilities were available but the McCanns thought they knew better and didn't bother.  They took a chance and it backfired on them.

[ferryman]

This happens in hotels where the facilities are all under one roof and where there are listening services.  Leaving small children all alone in an unsecured apartment immediately adjacent to a public road while the parents went off dining and socialising was irresponsible.  It matters little whether it was 50 metres away or 5 miles, events can occur where youngsters are concerned.

What is all the more galling about this case is the fact that facilities were available but the McCanns thought they knew better and didn't bother.  They took a chance and it backfired on them.

1.  A total retreat from theMcCannsdunsomethingdreadfultoMadeleineandcovereditup

2.  A regular checking-system (narrowly) failed to thwart an abduction imo.

[Mr Gray]

This happens in hotels where the facilities are all under one roof and where there are listening services.  Leaving small children all alone in an unsecured apartment immediately adjacent to a public road while the parents went off dining and socialising was irresponsible.  It matters little whether it was 50 metres away or 5 miles, events can occur where youngsters are concerned.

What is all the more galling about this case is the fact that facilities were available but the McCanns thought they knew better and didn't bother.  They took a chance and it backfired on them.

It is irresponsible in your opinion
People take chances every day
Far more children will be harmed by parents who smoke around them than are left to sleep in apartments
Far more children are harmed by parents not putting them in seat belts
Many children have been left alone on holiday
The McCann situation will have caused that number to fall

[Mr Gray]

I can't cut and paste at the moment so let's start with his reference to family history
That's evidence but you probably don't realise it

[stephen25000]

1.  A total retreat from theMcCannsdunsomethingdreadfultoMadeleineandcovereditup

2.  A regular checking-system (narrowly) failed to thwart an abduction.

We do know why you have to type abduction.

Without it, the McCann's are up the creek.

You know that, the McCann's know that, and so does anyone with an independent mind.

[Mr Gray]

We do know why you have to type abduction.

Without it, the McCann's are up the creek.

You know that, the McCann's know that, and so does anyone with an independent mind.

 Rather a silly statement

[stephen25000]

This happens in hotels where the facilities are all under one roof and where there are listening services.  Leaving small children all alone in an unsecured apartment immediately adjacent to a public road while the parents went off dining and socialising was irresponsible.  It matters little whether it was 50 metres away or 5 miles, events can occur where youngsters are concerned.

What is all the more galling about this case is the fact that facilities were available but the McCanns thought they knew better and didn't bother.  They took a chance and it backfired on them.

It was inexcusable, and the arrogant pair thought they knew better.

Madeleine suffered the consequences.

[stephen25000]

As you well know Alfie, an alternative theory would be regarded as libel.

The irony is, that the abduction scenario is typed, without a shred of real evidence to support it.

[Alfie]

As you well know Alfie, an alternative theory would be regarded as libel.

The irony is, that the abduction scenario is typed, without a shred of real evidence to support it.

It's so fortunate for you "sceptics" that this site doesn't allow you to share your views on what happened, that way you never get properly challenged - and let's face it any theory you did put down (libel aside) would has as much evidence as Horrocks' theory ie: not alot.

[G-Unit]

I can't cut and paste at the moment so let's start with his reference to family history
That's evidence but you probably don't realise it

The fact that a family appears OK doesn't mean it is OK. I would expect a policeman to know that you can't judge by appearances, but he seems to be doing just that.

Sometimes, families who seem to have it all from the outside are hiding a different story behind closed doors.
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/abuse/child-abuse-and-neglect.htm