What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.

[carlymichelle]

since  abduction is unlikley the mccans are responisble for maddies  fate   if  she wandered   and fell in a hole or a  unused mine etc   they are  responsible  or whatever did happen  that night you know why?? maddie  was  3  years old  thats why   

[Robittybob1]

Let's try again Rob.

Madeleine disappeared, FACT.

Where does it leave the McCann's if she wasn't abducted  when she disappeared?

I await cogent replies.

Scenarios involving vats of acid come to mind.  She could have fallen into a manhole or earthworks?  What about if she climbed into large skip bin and fell asleep?  It would leave the McCanns wondering what the heck ever happened to their daughter.

[Mr Gray]

@colinsutton During your time as police what was your experience of specialist police dogs - percentage wise how reliable were cadaver dogs?

"Used them twice, they were correct twice."

Could you give a cite to his full statement where this quote comes from

[Eleanor]

No.

It is simply that you won't answer the question directly.

Since you know damn well that without 'abduction' the Mccanns are up the proverbial creek.

If you and several others say there was no abduction, why aren't The McCanns up this proverbial creek?

[Mr Gray]

since  abduction is unlikley the mccans are responisble for maddies  fate   if  she wandered   and fell in a hole or a  unused mine etc   they are  responsible  or whatever did happen  that night you know why?? maddie  was  3  years old  thats why   

Abduction isn't unlikely
It's actually quite probable

[Robittybob1]

since  abduction is unlikley the mccans are responisble for maddies  fate   if  she wandered   and fell in a hole or a  unused mine etc   they are  responsible  or whatever did happen  that night you know why?? maddie  was  3  years old  thats why   

If a burglar attempting to enter her bedroom woke her up are they still responsible?

[pathfinder73]

Could you give a cite to his full statement where this quote comes from

Colin Sutton‏ @colinsutton  14h

14 hours ago on his Twitter account. He's gonna dig out the two cases.

[Brietta]

Nope, it's a view you like, because it doesn't involve the McCann's.

He has b....r all facts, let alone evidence to deal with.

He hasn't interviewed the McCann's, or watch them under interview as regards being questioned about the events.

I trust the police on the ground in 2007, who saw what the McCann's did at the time, and the way they responded and behaved.

To top that, no evidence to support abduction was found.

P.S. What trail has been uncovered as regards kidnappers, burglars or paedophiles ?

You are entirely wrong that no evidence of abduction was found ... Jane Tanner was an eyewitness to the barefoot child in pyjamas being carried in the street immediately outside the apartment and away from the direction of the apartment.

[Benice]

This happens in hotels where the facilities are all under one roof and where there are listening services.  Leaving small children all alone in an unsecured apartment immediately adjacent to a public road while the parents went off dining and socialising was irresponsible.  It matters little whether it was 50 metres away or 5 miles, events can occur where youngsters are concerned.

What is all the more galling about this case is the fact that facilities were available but the McCanns thought they knew better and didn't bother.  They took a chance and it backfired on them.

With respect Angelo - you are missing the point - which is that thousands of people whilst on holiday have made exactly the same choice as the McCanns and left their children alone in their rooms to go to dinner .     It makes no difference where the room is situated, or whether they use an official listening service or whether they make their own checks, or whether they use  baby alarms and make no checks, the parents have still made that choice to leave their babies and children alone in their rooms.   It's quite obvious that they made the same decision as the McCanns  because  just like them - they believed it was safe -  and clearly - also for obvious reasons -  it never once entered their heads that their child could be abducted.

This is because (a) It's so rare.   The last child to disappear abroad was Ben Needham 16 years prior  -so that would not be in their minds.    And (b) because people always believe that horrific stuff only ever happens to other people.  Hence the familiar  ''I never thought this could happen to me''  comment.

There are folk who completely disagree with the listening method of childcare - and they are entitled to their opinion, but singling the McCanns out for eternal persecution -  as if no other parents had ever done the same - when we know that leaving children in this way has been so popular with parents  (on holiday) that for decades it has been offered to them as a service  - is completely wrong IMO.

I am far more shocked by parents who - knowing what happened to Madeleine - still make the choice to leave their children and/or use baby alarms than I ever was by the McCanns.

Hindsight is a wonderful weapon - it's also a very unfair one to use against those who did not have it's benefit at the time.

AIMHO

[pathfinder73]

You are entirely wrong that no evidence of abduction was found ... Jane Tanner was an eyewitness to the barefoot child in pyjamas being carried in the street immediately outside the apartment and away from the direction of the apartment.

And apparently OG are looking for her being the woman in purple. They are either being clever or the biggest chumps of all time! The window was closed when he was seen and he's found - carrying a smaller 2 year old not Madeleine.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;

Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

P.S. I'm just watching some sniffer dogs being deployed, and would you believe it, they play as they search.

Are they playing tag with the evidence?

[Brietta]

Yet she wasn't, and there is no evidence to show abduction, over any other possibility.

[Brietta]

And apparently OG are looking for her being the woman in purple. They are either being clever or the biggest chumps of all time! The window was closed when he was seen and he's found - carrying a smaller 2 year old not Madeleine.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;

Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

We really do not know exactly who Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria have in their sights and that is as it should be.

You really have no idea when the shutter was raised and the window opened.  Jane Tanner obviously didn't see it as she hurried across the carpark in the cool of the evening ... it was in her peripheral vision, to see it she would have had to turn to look directly at it.
Ask yourself why she would have.

[pathfinder73]

It is very clear Matt said there were no draughts nor sounds, moving curtains etc. like Kate saw when he did his check after that sighting. Checks passing through the car park after the sighting noticed nothing wrong.  Matt's window is next to Madeleine's. No evidence exists of that window being open at the time of the Tanner sighting.

[Brietta]

It is very clear Matt said were no draughts or sounds, moving curtains etc. like Kate saw when he did his check after that sighting. Checks passing through the car park after the sighting noticed nothing wrong.  Matt's window is next to Madeleine's. No evidence exists of that window being open at the time of the Tanner sighting.

Madeleine and the twins room was lighter than it should have been as a result of the orange glow from the street lamp outside.

Kate's interaction with the door in combination with the open window resulted in creating the draught which moved the curtains and slammed the door.
We've got a whole thread on this somewhere.