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Establishing Their Roles.....
« on: May 09, 2017, 12:54:46 PM »
With the twists and turns in this case and trying to understand each persons role, I was trying to assertain what they did in the papers in the case and if they still are in those position or maybe promoted after their role in The Joanna Yeates Case...

I started to think about this more as I have a great difficulty in even finding certain individuals reported in the media at the time.... And coming across people I wasn't even aware of...

Each had an Important Role in the Case... And by having somewhere to discuss this I believe it will make it easier for new readers who may not know much about the case to see what their roles where....

I thought I would start with a list of names then move to see where they are today... I will do a post on each of the individuals to put thing into perspective... So many names easy to forget who they are and the part they played.. Or how they were connected to the investigation..

(1): DCI Phil Jones

(2): DI Joe Goff

(3): DI Andrew Mott

(4): DI Karen Thomas

(5): Forensics Officer  Martin Faithful.

(6):  Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford

(7): The Head of The Complex Crime Unit Anne Reddrop

(8): DC Mark Luther

(9): PC Steve Archer

(10): Salvation Army Chaplain Brotherton

(11): QC Peter Cook

(12): QC William Clegg

(13): QC Kelcey

(14):  Tanja Nickson

(15): Lyndsey Lennen

(16):  Dr Delaney

(17): Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders

(18): DC Geoffrey Colvin

(19): DCI Gareth Bevan

(20): Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police, Darren Bane

(21): Tarique Ghaffur, a former head of Scotland Yard's homicide command

(22): Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson

(23): Dr White

(24): PC Anneleise Jackson,

(25): Detective Constable Simon Mills

(26): Ray Palmer Forensic  Science Services (Principle Forensic Scientist)

(27): DC Simon Mills

(28): QC Lickey 

(29): Dr Kelly Sheridan

(30): Steve Allen, Managing Director of LGC Forensics,

(31); AMANDA HIRST, Head of Corporate Communications at Avon and Somerset

(32): Darren Bane   Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police,

(33): Scott Fulton, Head of E-services for Avon and Somerset Police

(34): ACC Hansen, the Chief Constable and the Head of CCD  ( as reported by DCI Phil Jones in the Leveson
         Inquiry) (Gold Commander )

(35): Chief Super Colin Port

(36): DC Richard Barnston,

(37): DC Paul Derrick

(38): Dr Jenifer Miller

(39): Lyndsey Farmery

(40): DCI Brennan ......  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg420152#msg420152

(41): Martin Dunscombe... Corporate Communications Officer

(42): South West One...  IBM Company/ Contract with Avon and Somerset Police..

(43): Inspector David Horwood... Avon and Somerset Police.

(44): Hookie..(Police nickname) The Bald Police Officer at Peter Stanleys house.. "DC Jonathan Hook"

(45): DC Emma Davies

(46): Dr Karl Harrison

(47): DC Mills

Ok.. to start with here is my list...  I will edit it when I find more..... But for the moment I will post this and then do a post on each of their roles ...... I'll probably start with the less known people in this list...

If any one know any other person involved just post their names ....... 

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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 01:30:29 PM »
(26):  Ray Palmer....

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Wed, Jan 5, 2011

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Ray Palmer, the Service’s principal forensic scientist, said: “Fibres are particularly important when the body is deposited away from the murder place.

Whilst  looking for Ray Palmer I believe he may have done the FIBRE Analysis as it is part of his field..... I am not 100% sure if he did any analysis or because as  he could have stopped working as Principal Forensic Scientist by 2010 as quoted below... The Article was published Wed, Jan 5, 2011... I wondered if they talked to him at the scene or had just asked his advice... not sure... Or was he at Canygne Road using the Laser equipment??

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Forensic Science Service Ltd – under threat from economic cuts – revealed that lasers are used to “show evidence of a clean-up”, possibly showing whiter areas that may have been specifically cleaned.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/221187/Joanna-Yeates-Crucial-work-of-forensic-teams

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I am a former employee of the Forensic Science Service (1985–2010), where latterly my position was that of Principal Forensic Scientist.

I am presently employed by Northumbria University as a Senior Lecturer and Programme Leader in Forensic Science. I am also a member of the Northumbria University Centre for Forensic Science (NUCFS) who I understand will be submitting a collective response.

The following response is based upon my own observations, thoughts and experience of the FSS closure and may or may not reflect the views of my colleagues.

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmsctech/610/610vw12.htm

Ray Palmer may have had a bigger role with this case, but I do not know if he was brought to trial... (I may be mistaken).. He wrote this PDF which I haven't managed to obtain.. but I'll post the link.. It may pertain to Joanna Yeates..

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R. Palmer, G. Polwarth, 2011. The persistence of fibres on skin in an outdoor deposition crime scene scenario. Science & Justice, 10 May 2011 (10.1016/j.scijus.2011.04.001)

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scienceandjusticejournal.com 
NUCFS - Centre for Forensic Science hasn't uploaded this paper.

http://www.academia.edu/1074661/R._Palmer_G._Polwarth_2011._The_persistence_of_fibres_on_skin_in_an_outdoor_deposition_crime_scene_scenario._Science_and_Justice_10_May_2011_10.1016_j.scijus.2011.04.001_

Was Ray Palmer the Forensic Scientist who tested the black coat fibres???

Another publication states that the FFS were not involved with the Investigation at the bottom of their article..

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The fibres examined in many cases are made up of the components of a thread – quite often invisible to the naked eye and unique to one person.

http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-forensic-experts-continue-to-examine-canynge-road-properties-12949/

Again...
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They were also thought to be employing vaporised superglue, which reacts with
natural chemicals contained in sweat to produce a perfect white fingerprint.

Fibres found on textiles in the properties will also be studied.

Forensics expert Ray Palmer said: “They can give an indication of whether two
people were in contact.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/289435/jos-body-was-missing-one-sock/

But then a find a spanner thrown in the works and go back to believing he had some connection to the case..

Jun 16, 2015 00:00 BST

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Northumbria’s forensic science courses are taught by former practitioners who have worked on high-profile cases including the Stephen Lawrence, Joanna Yeates and PC Ian Broadhurst murders, as well as the Ipswich serial killer case in which five women were murdered over a ten-day period in 2006.

http://newsroom.northumbria.ac.uk/pressreleases/hair-and-textiles-go-under-the-microscope-at-gathering-of-forensic-science-specialists-1194413

He does various talks.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKB6eElsH3U
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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 02:05:09 PM »
(29):  Dr Kelly Sheridan 

The only reason I found her was because she had had published various articles which state she worked on the Joanna Yeates case...

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Kelly joined the teaching staff at Northumbria University in 2013 after 7 years with LGC Forensics. Kelly was formerly employed as a Senior Reporter in the Marks and Trace department, and a specialist advisor to the Cold Case team for cases involving the potential transfer of textile fibres. She has dealt with a number of high profile cases, including the murders of Stephen Lawrence and Joanna Yeates and given expert testimony in court on a number of occasions.

Did she testify in court????

http://www.nucfs.ac.uk/person/dr-kelly-sheridan-3/

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Article

Palmer, Ray, Burnett, Elisabeth, Luff, Natalie, Wagner, Craig, Stinga, Georgia, Carney, Clare and Sheridan, Kelly (2015) The prevalence of two ‘commonly’ encountered synthetic target fibres within a large urban environment. Science & Justice, 55 (2). pp. 103-106. ISSN 1355-0306

She has a Connection to Ray Palmer which drew my interest to her ...

http://nrl.northumbria.ac.uk/view/creators/Sheridan=3AKelly=3A=3A.html
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 11:47:53 PM »

(5): Forensics Officer  Martin Faithfull.

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The jury was shown images of the snow-covered body as forensic officer, Martin Faithfull, described the operation to retrieve her body.

I was surprised about this Forensics Officer... he must have been with Andrew Mott.... He confirms that the body was thawing..

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Mr Faithfull told the court how the forensic team had made efforts to prevent Miss Yeates frozen body from thawing out, in order to avoid losing any potentially significant evidence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826662/Joanna-Yeates-trial-snow-covered-body-found-by-dog-walker.html


Later I discovered that Forensic Officer Martin Faithfull is a PC.....

23 Jun 2016

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The officers have all completed over 20 years in service, and each received a scroll outlining their personal service history.
They included: • PC Martin Faithful from Nailsea

http://www.chardandilminsternews.co.uk/news/somerset_news/14576503.Bravery__long_service__good_conduct_and_dedication_commended_by_Avon_and_Somerset_Police/

PC Martin Faithfull is part of the beat team at Redwood..

http://www.northsomersettimes.co.uk/news/all-change-for-police-beat-teams-1-4043815

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 09:24:22 AM »
(22): Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson

There is very little known about Nurse Ruth Pearson.... I have searched and cannot find much... she was originally mentioned in a tweet at the time of the trial..

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richardpayneitv (Richard Payne)
Read statement from nurse Ruth Booth-Pearson, examined Tabak. He now head in hands in court, head bowed.

I found this here... this forum was  posting tweets as they happened as they were following the trial ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?151762-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-Dec-2010-15/page9&styleid=21


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skynewsgatherer (Harriet Tolputt)
Tabak told the nurse he was normally "happy" and had no previous mental health problems.

Is this how they determined Dr Vincent Tabak's health??  Your Not going to divulge information to a stranger straight away! (IMO)

It's always a statement that is read out... why are these people NOT in court....

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This from Harriet Tolputt 6 minutes ago:

"The nurse found a 6x1 cm scar with scab on his left arm and a bruised toe nail."

No doubt from slipping on the snow.

With information like that why did she not make a personal appearance to give her expert opinion as to the age of the scar and how and why Dr Vincent Tabak had come to have such a scar... You would have thought more would have been made of such an injury...

I don't even know if Dr Vincent Tabak was ever asked how the injury happened ?? But with the statement being made in court and no one to cross examine... the jury will make their own decision about the scar...

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?151762-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-December-2010-15/page9&styleid=21
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2017, 11:48:10 AM »
(33): Scott Fulton, Head of E-services for Avon and Somerset Police

Little is mentioned about Scott Fulton's role in this enquiry and I would have hoped that as the head of E sevices he would have given a statement at least with reagrds this case ...

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Proactive and Reactive Digital Communications
Scott Fulton
Scott is the Head of eServices for Avon and Somerset Police. He has over 15 years experience
managing digital services in the police service. His team’s work has been recognised and
awarded for best practice at a national level, receiving Home Offi ce and international recognition,
for example their in house development of TrackMyCrime.

https://www.lincs.police.uk/media/130036/pp56-police-communicators-course.pdf


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Scott Fulton, head of e-services for the force, said: "Social media is growing rapidly and has become a daily factor in most people's routine.

"On this inquiry alone we have had shares of the story from the force's Facebook page of 24,220. Additionally there have been over 63,000 views of the news updates on our website, a further 18,000 on the dedicated Jo page and over 70,000 views of the CCTV clips on our YouTube channel.

What involvement with the CCTV Footage did Scott Fulton have, as the head of e- services ??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/joanna-yeates-murder-police-launch-facebook-plea-2175687.html

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Head of Digital Services (Agile Product Manager)
Company Name6000+ Employee Company
Dates EmployedOct 2009 – Present  Employment Duration7 yrs 8 mos
LocationBristol, United Kingdom

He seems like he's an independant ....

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n addition to my current day job, I was nominated to lead and advise on national social media strategy due to my recognised achievements in digital engagement and social media marketing.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/fultons/

I was under the impression that he actually worked and was a Policeman... but that isn't the case...

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Tracy Hayler MBA
Change Management and Strategic Development specialist
February 13, 2009, Tracy was senior to Scott but didn’t manage directly
Scott is an outstanding manager of internet services. He has led the development of the Avon and Somerset Constabulary, and Police Authority eServices, to high acclaim.



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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 02:08:00 PM »
(26):  Ray Palmer....

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Wed, Jan 5, 2011

Whilst  looking for Ray Palmer I believe he may have done the FIBRE Analysis as it is part of his field..... I am not 100% sure if he did any analysis or because as  he could have stopped working as Principal Forensic Scientist by 2010 as quoted below... The Article was published Wed, Jan 5, 2011... I wondered if they talked to him at the scene or had just asked his advice... not sure... Or was he at Canygne Road using the Laser equipment??

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/221187/Joanna-Yeates-Crucial-work-of-forensic-teams

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmsctech/610/610vw12.htm

Ray Palmer may have had a bigger role with this case, but I do not know if he was brought to trial... (I may be mistaken).. He wrote this PDF which I haven't managed to obtain.. but I'll post the link.. It may pertain to Joanna Yeates..

http://www.academia.edu/1074661/R._Palmer_G._Polwarth_2011._The_persistence_of_fibres_on_skin_in_an_outdoor_deposition_crime_scene_scenario._Science_and_Justice_10_May_2011_10.1016_j.scijus.2011.04.001_

Was Ray Palmer the Forensic Scientist who tested the black coat fibres???

Another publication states that the FFS were not involved with the Investigation at the bottom of their article..

http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-forensic-experts-continue-to-examine-canynge-road-properties-12949/

Again...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/289435/jos-body-was-missing-one-sock/

But then a find a spanner thrown in the works and go back to believing he had some connection to the case..

Jun 16, 2015 00:00 BST

http://newsroom.northumbria.ac.uk/pressreleases/hair-and-textiles-go-under-the-microscope-at-gathering-of-forensic-science-specialists-1194413

He does various talks.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKB6eElsH3U
On the first day of the trial, the court heard:

On being told that police could link him forensically to the body, Vincent Tabak had accused what Mr. Lickley called “the Forensic Science Service” of “forgery and taking bribes”.

I think the barrister was mistaken, and that it was LGC Forensics and their friends who got all the contracts on the Joana Yeates case. I am quite sure there were a lot of unsavoury deals going on. LGC were very successful at getting publicity out of the case, AND out of the release of the landlord. They got The Mail on their side. I am sure that Forensic Science Services Ltd was miffed.

I don't believe for one moment that Ray Palmer got a fee for fibre analysis. If he had done, his statement would have been read in court. As you know, the so-called fibre evidence was "admitted" - which I interpret to mean that it was in the same category as the bad character evidence (porn & prostitutes).

Call me stupid, but I never understood why you thought the police had access to VT's black coat BEFORE they arrested him. I always imagined that they impounded his black coat AFTER his arrest, together with his bicycle and laptop, satisfied themselves that it was just an ordinary woollen coat capable of shedding fibres, and on the second day of his arrest alleged that tests had shown that fibres from it had been found on Jo's body. There probably were indeed all sorts of ordinary fibres on Jo's body. In the unlikely event of William Clegg ever actually being called to defend VT properly, Ray Palmer, if presented with a suitable fee, would probably have been able to show that there was a match between some fibres, but that it was statistically so weak as to be inconclusive.

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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 02:31:45 PM »


Call me stupid, but I never understood why you thought the police had access to VT's black coat BEFORE they arrested him. I always imagined that they impounded his black coat AFTER his arrest, together with his bicycle and laptop, satisfied themselves that it was just an ordinary woollen coat capable of shedding fibres, and on the second day of his arrest alleged that tests had shown that fibres from it had been found on Jo's body. There probably were indeed all sorts of ordinary fibres on Jo's body. In the unlikely event of William Clegg ever actually being called to defend VT properly, Ray Palmer, if presented with a suitable fee, would probably have been able to show that there was a match between some fibres, but that it was statistically so weak as to be inconclusive.


Because of what Lyndsey Lennen said in her interview :....
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Joanna Yeates
It started as a missing person inquiry on December 18, 2010, says Lindsey Lennen, a body fluids and DNA specialist (who, like many forensic scientists, says the work is "all I ever wanted to do"). The team started by examining items from Joanna's home, looking for foreign DNA. Then on Christmas Day, Yeates was found dead, on a country road.

A colleague went down to supervise the removal of her clothing and preserve any body fluids: "The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

So I'll take out the important bit..

 
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Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

She clearly has stated

(1): Clothing...........      Must be Joanna Yeates

(2): Swabs.........           DNA they had already collected

(3): Suspects Clothing  Must be Dr Vincent Tabak

(4):All turned around in 48 hours

She has to be bragging about Dr Vincent Tabak as this interview is after his incarceration.....
Tuesday 17 January 2012 19.45 GMT

But she forgot we all ready new that they had tested against the national data base early on...

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The move will also be seen as controversial – especially as the Daily Mail understands that the sample has already been run through the national DNA database without finding a match.

By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 16:12, 14 January 2011

If she is saying it was all tuned around in 48 hours that surely means they had all the items together .. testing them in the same 48 hour period....

So.... if they have discounted people in the National data base by the 14 January 2011...

How could they have Dr Vincent Tabak's CLOTHING to test before he was arrested on the 20th January 2011

Also I do remember one of Joanna Yeates friends being tested early on.... I'll see if I can find the article,,...

I've attached 2 images from a Press Reader Article.... Interestingly they didn't think it was worth doing a mass trawl of DNA test... They never even tested her work colleagues.... Did that mean the sample on her body being "PARTIAL was USELESS!!!







 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346996/Jo-Yeates-murder-Better-street-lighting-tracing-

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20110114/289132904583479
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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 04:37:20 PM »

Because of what Lyndsey Lennen said in her interview :....
So I'll take out the important bit..
 
She clearly has stated

(1): Clothing...........      Must be Joanna Yeates

(2): Swabs.........           DNA they had already collected

(3): Suspects Clothing  Must be Dr Vincent Tabak

(4):All turned around in 48 hours

She has to be bragging about Dr Vincent Tabak as this interview is after his incarceration.....
Tuesday 17 January 2012 19.45 GMT

But she forgot we all ready new that they had tested against the national data base early on...

By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 16:12, 14 January 2011

If she is saying it was all tuned around in 48 hours that surely means they had all the items together .. testing them in the same 48 hour period....

So.... if they have discounted people in the National data base by the 14 January 2011...

How could they have Dr Vincent Tabak's CLOTHING to test before he was arrested on the 20th January 2011

Also I do remember one of Joanna Yeates friends being tested early on.... I'll see if I can find the article,,...

I've attached 2 images from a Press Reader Article.... Interestingly they didn't think it was worth doing a mass trawl of DNA test... They never even tested her work colleagues.... Did that mean the sample on her body being "PARTIAL was USELESS!!!

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346996/Jo-Yeates-murder-Better-street-lighting-tracing-

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20110114/289132904583479
Oh that's ridiculous. The court was told by DC Thomas UNDER OATH that she made Vincent Tabak a suspect during the interview at Schiphol - and that he was also reluctant to give a swab for DNA profiling at that time. Because DC Thomas was testifying as a witness, this admission carries infinitely more weight than Lindsay Lennen's off-the-cuff brag to The Gruniad - which in any case does not merit such deep critical scrutiny when it can be tested against other facts that we believe we know.

Since the official police line is that Vincent (1) had not been tested for DNA and (2) was not a suspect until 31 Dec 2010, Lindsay Lennen MUST be referring to Christopher Jefferies (if she means only one suspect), or CJ plus some of Joanna's friends, relations and others whose DNA might have been found in the flat (if she means suspects in the plural). It depends on where the apostrophe really belongs in article in The Gruniad.

It is one thing to take a swab for elimination purposes from people who "have nothing to hide" (as CJ evidently put it), but testing their clothing would have been a much bigger, more provocative task, as there would be no indication which of their clothes they might have been wearing. You cannot really see CJ letting them test his entire wardrobe on the off-chance, can you? Lindsey Lennen really wasn't thinking when she claimed that any testing of suspects' clothing was done within 48 hours, even though the police had one suspect we got to know about, and others whom we can infer from what they and CJ said, and what would have been normal.

I repeat: VT's black coat was mentioned as a source of fibres because the jury saw him wearing it in Asda, so it fitted the story the prosecution wanted to tell. This is not incompatible with their having tested it after arresting him, and the jury was fully entitled to believe that is what they did. But I do not believe they tested it for a moment - and neither should you.

You have correctly deduced that the police had already targeted VT as a person of interest well before Schiphol - but not as a publicly acknowledgeable suspect.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 06:57:04 AM »
Oh that's ridiculous. The court was told by DC Thomas UNDER OATH that she made Vincent Tabak a suspect during the interview at Schiphol - and that he was also reluctant to give a swab for DNA profiling at that time. Because DC Thomas was testifying as a witness, this admission carries infinitely more weight than Lindsay Lennen's off-the-cuff brag to The Gruniad - which in any case does not merit such deep critical scrutiny when it can be tested against other facts that we believe we know.

Since the official police line is that Vincent (1) had not been tested for DNA and (2) was not a suspect until 31 Dec 2010, Lindsay Lennen MUST be referring to Christopher Jefferies (if she means only one suspect), or CJ plus some of Joanna's friends, relations and others whose DNA might have been found in the flat (if she means suspects in the plural). It depends on where the apostrophe really belongs in article in The Gruniad.

It is one thing to take a swab for elimination purposes from people who "have nothing to hide" (as CJ evidently put it), but testing their clothing would have been a much bigger, more provocative task, as there would be no indication which of their clothes they might have been wearing. You cannot really see CJ letting them test his entire wardrobe on the off-chance, can you? Lindsey Lennen really wasn't thinking when she claimed that any testing of suspects' clothing was done within 48 hours, even though the police had one suspect we got to know about, and others whom we can infer from what they and CJ said, and what would have been normal.

I repeat: VT's black coat was mentioned as a source of fibres because the jury saw him wearing it in Asda, so it fitted the story the prosecution wanted to tell. This is not incompatible with their having tested it after arresting him, and the jury was fully entitled to believe that is what they did. But I do not believe they tested it for a moment - and neither should you.

You have correctly deduced that the police had already targeted VT as a person of interest well before Schiphol - but not as a publicly acknowledgeable suspect.

Maybe you misunderstand my meaning.....

I'm fully aware that what Lyndsey Lennen was probably refering to, would be CJ...  But she dosen't admit to this... she allows us to think she means Dr Vincent Tabak... As he's the one in prison for this crime...

But either way it makes no difference... it's not about the fibres of the clothing as far as I am concerned... Fibre analysis can easily be discounted...

It's her Admission that they had Joanna Yeates DNA sample available to test against in 48 hours...

They have made various videos and statements that claim this sample took weeks to produce because it was so small..
And that is their reason why they say they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak on the 20th January 2011...

The DNA sample they took from him in Holland on 31st December 2010 would be tested on their return... In turn means that Dr Vincent Tabak should have been arrested within days... long before they made the Appeal for the "Missing Sock"..

So there had to be planning in Dr Vincent Tabak's Arrest... The question is when ?? The CPS said late December 2010 they advised The Police ... So who is responsible for the planned arrest and incarceration of Dr Vincent Tabak....Without the evidence to arrest him??

If he was a match when they came back from Holland as they have claimed his DNA was upon Joanna Yeates... Why did they waste Public Money doing Appeal's for "Missing Socks"??

Why did they allow the PUBLIC to think that there was a KILLER on the Loose in Bristol... Why for at least 17 days di they continue a charade with the public by telling them they had no idea who had killed Joanna Yeates ..

How much MONEY and MAN POWER did Avon and Somerset Police use and spend continuing to advertise for help in finding Joanna Yeates KILLER when as "Lyndsey Lennen" says... they turned it all around in 48 hours... And at that point would have had Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA swob...!!

Even if nobody believes that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent... shouldn't there at least be a PUBLIC INQUIRY Into the misuse of PUBLIC funds that they obviously wasted if "Lyndsey Lennens" statement is TRUE!!!

Lyndsey Lennen's statement confirms they had no evidence whatsoever on Dr Vincent Tabak... From the day they got his DNA sample to the day the arrested him.....

But someone obviously wanted The Dutchman to take the fall (IMO)

Somewhere on this thread is the video link... I think it might be Judge Rinder... DCI Phil Jones states that they got the results from Joanna Yeates on the 20th January 2011 and arrested Dr Vincent Tabak on the 20th January 2011... anybody can see that doesn't make sense...

It would be interesting to see if these people had to stand up in court today and all their untruths could be uncovered for all to see...

And DCI Phil Jones should have his turn in the Box!!

Because again untruths have been told.....
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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2017, 11:02:30 AM »
Lindsay Lennen herself seems to have told a different story to the journalist who wrote "The body in the snow" for Police Magazine: "... Then, 25 days after the discovery of Jo Yeates’ body, scientists made a breakthrough. They found DNA matching Vincent Tabak on one of the samples recovered from her body."

I'm glad you mentioned the waste of public money. The police love to have high profile cases to justify spending a lot of public money. There is something deeply political about the theatrical creation of this unspeakable villain Vincent Tabak. Unfortunately, since 2016, ALL Europeans who try to take jobs away from British workers have become villainous rascals in the eyes of the voters on both the left and the right wings of politics.

However, I am sure the voters would be just as exasperated as you are if they knew how much Avon & Somerset Constabulary and the news media have deceived the entire nation and allowed the real killer to slip away until the next victim presents herself. Next time a politician comes knocking on your door or accosts you at the shopping centre, why not air your concerns about this corrupt cover-up?

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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2017, 12:14:34 PM »
Lindsay Lennen herself seems to have told a different story to the journalist who wrote "The body in the snow" for Police Magazine: "... Then, 25 days after the discovery of Jo Yeates’ body, scientists made a breakthrough. They found DNA matching Vincent Tabak on one of the samples recovered from her body."


Those were the exact same words that were used in the "Crimewatch program.... that was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction....

Can you link me to that article Leonora ??  What was the date an issue number !!


This has to be around October /Novemeber 2011  the Crimewatch Programmed which was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's incarceration.. was uploaded onto youtube on the 6th November 2011
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2017, 12:45:17 PM »
If I go back to Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA sample being tested when they had taken it on the 31st December 2010..

It would take two days tops for them to check his sample against Joanna Yeates.... (I'm being generous)..
That would take us to the 2nd January 2011...

If as they contend they knew that Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA was a match.... They'd of know from the date above... Why did they not arrest him????

Because they needed other evidence , being the answer... And of course we have the sobbing girl...!!

But if they fully believed that he was the KILLER... They must have had survailance on him the minute he landed back in England...

Where are all the notes... footage of this survailance???

There must have been something issued for them to do the survaliance in the first place... I did write a post the other day which mentioned they had watched him for a week...

I believe they followed his ever move... and couldn't find anything untoward to arrest him on.... As we know the review period was due... We suddenly have a crying girl which tips the balance and they arrest him....

Otherwise If there was No survailance... How could they justify leaving a calculating killer roam free.... and keep up the pretence that they were searching for someone!!

By them saying they were following his movements the week before his arrest.. The major question would be WHY???

Because..." The sobbing Girl "hadn't made her phone call a week before his arrest !!!

I would love to see there notes/photographs and any video's they made of their survailance...


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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 01:12:47 PM »
Those were the exact same words that were used in the "Crimewatch program.... that was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction....

Can you link me to that article Leonora ??  What was the date an issue number !!


This has to be around October /Novemeber 2011  the Crimewatch Programmed which was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's incarceration.. was uploaded onto youtube on the 6th November 2011
I can't bear viewing any of these TV documentaries about the case again, even though I am very happy that you are so willing to do so. I attach the article from Police Magazine, February 2012. It doesn't have an issue number, nor is it online at the URL where I originally found it.

When are you going to share your thoughts on how VT, TM and GR have been protected from the news media?

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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 05:54:57 PM »
Lindsay Lennen herself seems to have told a different story to the journalist who wrote "The body in the snow" for Police Magazine: "... Then, 25 days after the discovery of Jo Yeates’ body, scientists made a breakthrough. They found DNA matching Vincent Tabak on one of the samples recovered from her body."


Well she obviously changed it... The Guardian Article 12th January 2012 was written before the Police magazine "The body in the snow "Article.... 2nd February 2012... 

From body in the snow....
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Once the body had been removed to the mortuary, swabs were taken in the
hope scientists could extract enough
of the all-important DNA to get a
profile of the suspect. Clothing was
also recovered and analysed.
 

From her Guardian article ..

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Eventually, we found something," Lennen says. "On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak."

What tape?? thought they used tape for fibre collection... So what DNA did they get from behind her knee??

Lets look at what this would cost........ The DNA thing `I find suspcious...

How many DNA swabs would they need to take from all areas of Joanna Yeates body and clothes ??

Each individually identified from each seperate area.. Each one tested ... Not forgetting all of the other testing that they did...

They believed CJ was responsible.. they still had all of his posssesions to test ... they had all of the fabric etc from Joanna Yeates flat to test...

How many area's of the duvet cover of Joanna yeates did they sample...

There are many many Pictures of the forensics team taking evidence bags out of various premises... How could they test all of it in such a short space of time ??? It would take months and months and months... Not the 25 days Lyndsey Lennen says in her "Body in the Snow article and not the 48 hours Lyndsey Lennen says in her Guardian Article,...

If they had to apply the DNA SenCE on most of these articles in the hope of finding DNA present... how long would it take and how much would that cost!!!!

Also there was the actual dump site sample that had to be analyised....

I've attached images to get an idea of the amount of items the took from Joanna Yeates flat alone.... Lets not forget the bathroom and kitchen swabs that they would need to test... The living room and the hallway... The Front door too that was made an important part of this case....

CJ... they never stopped going in and out of CJs flat... he wasn't released from bail till March 2011... so there so much of his possesions to be tested ...

What did they ACTUALLY process in regards to samples the had???  when it comes to the forensics bill they had in March 2011 ...£ 83,379.00 ....  Did the bill for forensics change after March... because they still must have been processing Dr Vncent Tabaks Flat after they had CJ's and Flat 1's to do...

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While scientists worked to get a
result, the pressure to find Jo’s killer
mounted. The forensic company set
up an internal focus group of five
scientists to ensure ‘a cohesive and
rapid, customer-focused response’.
The group comprised the most
appropriately experienced and
qualified forensic scientists, who
carried out the DNA examinations
as well as interpretation, peer review
and quality review.

Question:... How could 5 scientists do thousands of DNA tests in a matter of 48 hours or 25 days.... It's not logistically possible...  How would they Know what sample would be a priority if they did not know where the crime was committed ??

I've made a list just to try an envisage how it was impossible to do all these tests in 25 days or 48 hours....

(1): One scientist doing the testing from Flat 1

(2): One Scientist doing the testing of flat  2

(3): One Scientist doing the testing from flat 3

(4): One scientist doing the testing from samples at Longwood lane...

(5): One Scientist testing all the cars that were brought into be tested ....

 I think I need another scientist

(6): Aberdeen Road

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg401172#msg401172

What was the Total spend on the case ? Does anyone know....


Edit:.... And Peter Stanleys house..

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg405346#msg405346
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