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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2017, 05:20:19 PM »
If you read my post again it ends in
Imo
If I read your post again, it strikes me as it did then.

That you were trying to control what posters could and could not say.

And that is IMO.   8((()*/
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2017, 05:28:36 PM »
If I read your post again, it strikes me as it did then.

That you were trying to control what posters could and could not say.

And that is IMO.   8((()*/
Now read the thread title
It is trying to control what posters can and cannot say

Offline misty

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2017, 05:31:25 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-10th-anniversary-a-horrible-marker-for-her-parents


Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Mark Rowley


“However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.”


About as clear as it gets that we can refer to an abductor.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2017, 05:36:26 PM »
Now read the thread title
It is trying to control what posters can and cannot say
Neither the thread title nor the OP is inaccurate.

Anyone asserting the McCanns dunnit would be subject to the same rules.

Kindly leave moderation to the mods.   8((()*/
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2017, 05:42:34 PM »
It is evident that the prosecutor's did not know what crime had occurred, if any.

That remains the situation.

Theories abound, but very few facts are evident.

Then surely there remains nothing that could be discussed or should be discussed ... so why do we continue discussing it?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2017, 05:43:57 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-10th-anniversary-a-horrible-marker-for-her-parents


Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Mark Rowley


“However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.”


About as clear as it gets that we can refer to an abductor.

In his opinion.

Would you care to link to the whole speech ?

Offline misty

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2017, 05:48:41 PM »
In his opinion.

Would you care to link to the whole speech ?

His force is in possession of the full facts & he has been authorised to make that carefully worded comment. If you cannot accept official confirmation that the police are treating the matter as the abduction of a child then nothing more can be added.

stephen25000

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2017, 05:51:36 PM »
His force is in possession of the full facts & he has been authorised to make that carefully worded comment. If you cannot accept official confirmation that the police are treating the matter as the abduction of a child then nothing more can be added.

I presume you read this as well.

Mr Rowley said: “All the different hypotheses have to remain open and we've got some thoughts on what we think the most likely explanations might be.”


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3413042/madeleine-mccann-british-detective-leads/

Alfie

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2017, 05:58:49 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-10th-anniversary-a-horrible-marker-for-her-parents


Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Mark Rowley


“However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.”


About as clear as it gets that we can refer to an abductor.
Mark Rowley would be chastised by them that know better should he ever show his ugly mug around these parts. 
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 06:02:03 PM by Alfie »

Alfie

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2017, 06:00:58 PM »
I presume you read this as well.

Mr Rowley said: “All the different hypotheses have to remain open and we've got some thoughts on what we think the most likely explanations might be.”


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3413042/madeleine-mccann-british-detective-leads/
Different hypotheses to explain who and how and why the (theoretical in my words, actual in his words) abduction occurred of course  8(0(*

stephen25000

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2017, 06:02:11 PM »
Different hypotheses to explain who and how and why the (theoretical in my words, actual in his words) abduction occurred of course  8(0(*


...and Alfie, just his opinion expressed in the article. 8(0(*


Likewise, if she walked out and disappeared, that does not mean abduction.


Bottom line, he is speculating, because he doesn't know what happened.

The case remains unsolved.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 06:05:31 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline misty

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2017, 06:02:50 PM »
I presume you read this as well.

Mr Rowley said: “All the different hypotheses have to remain open and we've got some thoughts on what we think the most likely explanations might be.”


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3413042/madeleine-mccann-british-detective-leads/

Yes, I did. But I, for one, intend to continue to use the word "abductor" when expressing my beliefs & opinions on what happened to Madeleine. Facts are only ever one person's interpretation of something, as a magician can amply demonstrate.

stephen25000

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2017, 06:08:16 PM »
Yes, I did. But I, for one, intend to continue to use the word "abductor" when expressing my beliefs & opinions on what happened to Madeleine. Facts are only ever one person's interpretation of something, as a magician can amply demonstrate.

As long as you say it is a belief/opinion, then no problem.  but if you state it as a fact, that is breaking the forum rules.

I still predict the case will be shelved, without anything having been determined.

So what then...........

Offline John

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2017, 06:09:01 PM »
The prosecutors say the McCanns could not have been expected to foresee the abduction of any of their children.

They also make reference to the non-involvement of the parents in any penally relevant crime.

How much clearer could, or should, they have had to make it?

That was theoretically speaking.  It was not based on fact or proof of any kind.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

stephen25000

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2017, 06:09:44 PM »
Yes, I did. But I, for one, intend to continue to use the word "abductor" when expressing my beliefs & opinions on what happened to Madeleine. Facts are only ever one person's interpretation of something, as a magician can amply demonstrate.

Magic ??

In reality, just tricks.