The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.

[John]

Certainly in the instance of cuddle cat, it has been established.

Eddie didn't.

Neither to any item of clothing.

I wondered when the dogs would come into this.   

[stephen25000]

I wondered when the dogs would come into this.   

That was inevitable John.

[misty]

Magic ??

In reality, just tricks.

Not a trick, just a scenario the audience cannot fathom.

[stephen25000]

Not a trick, just a scenario the audience cannot fathom.

That is a matter of perspective, or should I say, an opinion.

[John]

There are many ways posters can express their opinions on the abduction claim without falling foul of the forum rules.  Similarly, posters are free to offer their views on the other theories including woke and wandered which in itself opens up the possibility of abduction or accidental death by RTA.

[misty]

That is a matter of perspective, or should I say, an opinion.

No, it's a fact something/someone is apparently seen to disappear but the alternative fact is that the something/someone was moved to another place by another means without being seen.

[Mr Gray]

There are many ways posters can express their opinions on the abduction claim without falling foul of the forum rules.  Similarly, posters are free to offer their views on the other theories including woke and wandered which in itself opens up the possibility of abduction or accidental death by RTA.

I think we all realised that abduction is not a fact but is highly likely....this current thread is just being pedantic...imo

[stephen25000]

No, it's a fact something/someone is apparently seen to disappear but the alternative fact is that the something/someone was moved to another place by another means without being seen.

By beaming presumably.

[Angelo222]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-10th-anniversary-a-horrible-marker-for-her-parents


Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Mark Rowley


“However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.”


About as clear as it gets that we can refer to an abductor.

And 100% inaccurate.  The Met are all over the place in this investigation. Redwood says Tannerman was probably and innocent tourist while his bosses now claim the opposite. Just what the hell is going on as if we didn't already know??

[Mr Gray]

As long as you say it is a belief/opinion, then no problem.  but if you state it as a fact, that is breaking the forum rules.

I still predict the case will be shelved, without anything having been determined.

So what then...........

this rule is beeing breached on numerous occasions and I intend to highlight them all.....I hope the mods will apply the rule fairly

[Mr Gray]

And 100% inaccurate.  The Met are all over the place in this investigation. Redwood says Tannerman was probably and innocent tourist while his bosses now claim the opposite. Just what the hell is going on as if we didn't already know??

The Met have come to the conclusion that maddie was abducted...

why is it that posters never criticise amaral for making claims...particularly when he twists the meaning of the evidence to support his claims

[Robittybob1]

The cause of Madeleine's disappearance has not been ascertained.

FACT.


Madeline's ultimate fate has not been determined either.


FACT.

Then wouldn't we have to say ascertained by whom, for if there was an abductor the abductor knows.

[misty]

And 100% inaccurate.  The Met are as much in the dark as everyone else about this case so making claims without evidence is an example of very poor policing.

The Met, like the PJ, know far more than they will ever be able to impart to us. To state that they are clueless heaps disrespect onto both forces & the interviews their representatives have recently given.

[stephen25000]

Then wouldn't we have to say ascertained by whom, for it there was an abductor the abductor knows.

..and if there never was one.....................

[jassi]

Then wouldn't we have to say ascertained by whom, for it there was an abductor the abductor knows.

Not necessarily, if it were a case of child trafficking, then she could have passed through numerous hands prior to the ultimate situation she found herself in.