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Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1170 on: September 18, 2017, 03:04:30 PM »
So are you saying that there are three men now carrying bare-footed Madeleine-loakalikes around PDL on the night of the third ?

No. Crecheman was definitely carrying his daughter in the vicinity that evening but SY have not confirmed she was barefooted. In my theory he saw a man/people near 5A who were not carrying a child at that time but one carried Madeleine away shortly after. Libel rules do not permit comment about the 3rd man.

Offline jassi

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1171 on: September 18, 2017, 03:15:29 PM »
No. Crecheman was definitely carrying his daughter in the vicinity that evening but SY have not confirmed she was barefooted. In my theory he saw a man/people near 5A who were not carrying a child at that time but one carried Madeleine away shortly after. Libel rules do not permit comment about the 3rd man.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1172 on: September 18, 2017, 03:18:53 PM »
No. Crecheman was definitely carrying his daughter in the vicinity that evening but SY have not confirmed she was barefooted. In my theory he saw a man/people near 5A who were not carrying a child at that time but one carried Madeleine away shortly after. Libel rules do not permit comment about the 3rd man.

Remind me, why would Crecheman allow himself to be used in this way by SY ?
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Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1173 on: September 18, 2017, 04:15:09 PM »
Remind me, why would Crecheman allow himself to be used in this way by SY ?

Crecheman was unsure who Jane saw when he completed his questionnaire. He thought it may be him. Without knowing precisely what he saw when walking past Block 5 or who he saw (if anyone) when he looked down RDFGM before crossing the road it would be difficult to say that he was being used in any manner. IMO.

Offline John

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1174 on: September 18, 2017, 04:20:03 PM »
Crecheman was unsure who Jane saw when he completed his questionnaire. He thought it may be him. Without knowing precisely what he saw when walking past Block 5 or who he saw (if anyone) when he looked down RDFGM before crossing the road it would be difficult to say that he was being used in any manner. IMO.

The part I have never understood is why Redwood wasn't 100% convinced by crècheman.  Surely the chances of two identical/identically dressed men carrying identical children just happening to be there that night is infinitesimally small?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1175 on: September 18, 2017, 04:34:01 PM »
The part I have never understood is why Redwood wasn't 100% convinced by crècheman.  Surely the chances of two identical/identically dressed men carrying identical children just happening to be there that night is infinitesimally small?

The men & pyjamas were "uncannily similar" not identical. If Crecheman could not confirm the clothing he was wearing that particular night rather than the type of clothing he wore on holiday (which resembles that of many 30+ men) then DCI Redwood could not have been 100% sure - especially when the hair & height are factored in.
IMO.

Offline John

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1176 on: September 18, 2017, 05:15:53 PM »
The men & pyjamas were "uncannily similar" not identical. If Crècheman could not confirm the clothing he was wearing that particular night rather than the type of clothing he wore on holiday (which resembles that of many 30+ men) then DCI Redwood could not have been 100% sure - especially when the hair & height are factored in.
IMO.

So in other words, if Tannerman was Crècheman, then Jane Tanner's description was lacking.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Brietta

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1177 on: September 18, 2017, 05:43:40 PM »
The part I have never understood is why Redwood wasn't 100% convinced by crècheman.  Surely the chances of two identical/identically dressed men carrying identical children just happening to be there that night is infinitesimally small?

What perturbed me was DCI Redwood's "almost sure".

I have always thought that Tannerman had kidnapped Madeleine.  Too much of a coincidence for a child to have gone missing and a man to be seen seen just outside the apartment carrying a child away from it.
His image still features prominently on Madeleine's website. http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

The forum has discussed 'Crecheman' before ... but always from the point of view of him being seen in the location where 'Tannerman' had been.
I had convinced myself that he must have passed that way just minutes before because I was still hanging on to the notion that 'Tannerman' = kidnapper.

Misty's thinking outside the box allows everything to fall neatly into place.  I think that it is a very neat theory which explains so much ... certainly with the exception of what Scotland Yard are thinking about regarding the Smithman/ Tannerman/ Crecheman scenario ... then that doesn't perturb me unduly.
I don't feel the need to question their every move ... I'm confident they know what they are doing.

Misty's Theory has a lot of mileage in it without relying on anything extraordinary ... it is all so simple that I understand why it might have been a 'revelation moment' for the DCI.  All in my opinion.
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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1178 on: September 18, 2017, 05:48:01 PM »
What perturbed me was DCI Redwood's "almost sure".

I have always thought that Tannerman had kidnapped Madeleine.  Too much of a coincidence for a child to have gone missing and a man to be seen seen just outside the apartment carrying a child away from it.
His image still features prominently on Madeleine's website. http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

The forum has discussed 'Crecheman' before ... but always from the point of view of him being seen in the location where 'Tannerman' had been.
I had convinced myself that he must have passed that way just minutes before because I was still hanging on to the notion that 'Tannerman' = kidnapper.

Misty's thinking outside the box allows everything to fall neatly into place.  I think that it is a very neat theory which explains so much ... certainly with the exception of what Scotland Yard are thinking about regarding the Smithman/ Tannerman/ Crecheman scenario ... then that doesn't perturb me unduly.
I don't feel the need to question their every move ... I'm confident they know what they are doing.

Misty's Theory has a lot of mileage in it without relying on anything extraordinary ... it is all so simple that I understand why it might have been a 'revelation moment' for the DCI.  All in my opinion.

There is a much more obvious theory with multiple alerts.

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Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1180 on: September 18, 2017, 05:51:24 PM »
So in other words, if Tannerman was Crècheman, then Jane Tanner's description was lacking.

Jane's description was as good as it could have been in the circumstances. None of the Smiths could fully describe a man who had allegedly passed within 6 feet of them & even a combination of statements could provide one very detailed description. Jane was at least 30ft away from Tannerman & only had a few seconds sight of side profile to work with.

Offline Brietta

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1181 on: September 18, 2017, 05:53:52 PM »
So in other words, if Tannerman was Crècheman, then Jane Tanner's description was lacking.

I think Jane Tanner's description was spot on regarding Tannerman.  She didn't see Crecheman. 
I now think that Tannerman and Crecheman were co-incidentally in the same area at much the same time. 
They were two different men walking in different directions.
One walking homeward in the direction of an apartment block carrying his child.  The other one walking away from the apartment blocks carrying a child.

I think analysis of Crecheman's statement might have been the 'revelation moment'.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1182 on: September 18, 2017, 06:00:45 PM »
Jane's description was as good as it could have been in the circumstances. None of the Smiths could fully describe a man who had allegedly passed within 6 feet of them & even a combination of statements could provide one very detailed description. Jane was at least 30ft away from Tannerman & only had a few seconds sight of side profile to work with.

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Offline Brietta

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1183 on: September 18, 2017, 06:01:46 PM »
There is a much more obvious theory with multiple alerts.

In my opinion there were incredible omissions in the conduct of the case by the initial investigation ... those they did run with were found to be untenable when properly surveyed by the team which took over to try to pick up the pieces.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1184 on: September 18, 2017, 06:05:53 PM »
I think Jane Tanner's description was spot on regarding Tannerman.  She didn't see Crecheman. 
I now think that Tannerman and Crecheman were co-incidentally in the same area at much the same time. 
They were two different men walking in different directions.
One walking homeward in the direction of an apartment block carrying his child.  The other one walking away from the apartment blocks carrying a child.

I think analysis of Crecheman's statement might have been the 'revelation moment'.

Then there is the little matter of why the original investigators either failed to see the significance of Crecheman's disclosure on the questionnaire or chose to bury it. The information was there to be seen, as stated by DCI Redwood,