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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #300 on: May 29, 2017, 11:00:15 PM »
I am sure they are.

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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #301 on: May 30, 2017, 12:00:54 AM »
Amaral led the investigation, he was party to everything which occurred, as PJ Coordinator he liaised with the British police and the Forensic Science Service, he saw the reports which came in following the disappearance, the dog inspections, he oversaw the witnesses and arguidos being questioned, he saw their reactions and you in your wisdom think him poorly informed.   @)(++(*

I would say he is probably the most informed person in the entire investigation.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #302 on: May 30, 2017, 12:08:06 AM »
Amaral led the investigation, he was party to everything which occurred, as PJ Coordinator he liaised with the British police and the Forensic Science Service, he saw the reports which came in following the disappearance, he oversaw the witnesses and arguidos being questioned, he saw their reactions and you in your wisdom think him poorly informed.   @)(++(*

He doesnt understand the evidence and as far as I know never met the mccanns
So yes poorly informed
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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #303 on: May 30, 2017, 12:13:25 AM »
He doesnt understand the evidence and as far as I know never met the mccanns
So yes poorly informed

He understands it very well in my opinion.  As for the suspects, he saw them being inteviewed which was part of his job description as Coordinator.

Amaral was a very experienced senior detective in May 2007 but admits to being naive when political interference started to dictate in what direction the case should go. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #304 on: May 30, 2017, 12:19:59 AM »
He understands it very well in my opinion.  As for the suspects, he saw them being inteviewed which was part of his job description as Coordinator.
He doesnt understand the the alerts have no evidential value without corroboration
He thinks they prove a cadaver was in the apartment
They dont

Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #305 on: May 30, 2017, 12:23:56 AM »
He doesnt understand the the alerts have no evidential value without corroboration
He thinks they prove a cadaver was in the apartment
They dont

Not so, the alerts were indicative of cadaver odour, not proof.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #306 on: May 30, 2017, 12:27:04 AM »
Not so, the alerts were indicative of cadaver odour, not proof.

Amaral is using them as proof
He doesnt understand the evidence

Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #307 on: May 30, 2017, 12:47:47 AM »
Amaral is using them as proof
He doesnt understand the evidence

No he didn't, he made several suggestions as to what occurred. He has never claimed that any one specific scenario took place and that is where your argument falls down.  Amaral is smart, he gives people the facts and lets them decide who lied and what did or did not take place
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Offline Eleanor

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #308 on: May 30, 2017, 02:22:49 AM »
No he didn't, he made several suggestions as to what occurred. He has never claimed that any one specific scenario took place and that is where your argument falls down.  Amaral is smart, he gives people the facts and lets them decide who lied and what did or did not take place

Oh, I see.  Amaral gives people the facts and then lets them decide.  And if that isn't double dutch then God help us all.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #309 on: May 30, 2017, 03:12:27 AM »
Mrs Fenn did not venture out onto her balcony until after 2230hrs.
They might have thought it had already been taken care of by Matt. (Obviously referring to ringing the police.)
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Offline barrier

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #310 on: May 30, 2017, 08:39:20 AM »
Oh, I see.  Amaral gives people the facts and then lets them decide.  And if that isn't double dutch then God help us all.

Rowley in that case was talking in his own version of creole in his last interview.imo
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Offline Benice

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #311 on: May 30, 2017, 09:39:52 AM »
Amaral led the investigation, he was party to everything which occurred, as PJ Coordinator he liaised with the British police and the Forensic Science Service, he saw the reports which came in following the disappearance, the dog inspections, he oversaw the witnesses and arguidos being questioned, he saw their reactions and you in your wisdom think him poorly informed.   @)(++(*

I would say he is probably the most informed person in the entire investigation.

I have to disagree with that Angelo.     As he never met, spoke to, or interviewed the McCanns himself - then imo  he certainly was not ''party to everything which occurred''  -  and as interviews were not recorded -  then all the information he received came to him second hand -  and also 'opinions' of the McCanns could only always be other people's opinions - not his own.

Never having made personal contact with them meant he could not make his own assessments of them  - both as genuinely distraught parents or as credible witnesses.    That put him at a disadvantage IMO.

Why he chose not to make his own assessments of them is a mystery to me.
AIMHO


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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #312 on: May 30, 2017, 09:43:26 AM »
I have to disagree with that Angelo.     As he never met, spoke to, or interviewed the McCanns himself - then imo  he certainly was not ''party to everything which occurred''  -  and as interviews were not recorded -  then all the information he received came to him second hand -  and also 'opinions' of the McCanns could only always be other people's opinions - not his own.

Never having made personal contact with them meant he could not make his own assessments of them  - both as genuinely distraught parents or as credible witnesses.    That put him at a disadvantage IMO.

Why he chose not to make his own assessments of them is a mystery to me.
AIMHO

Amaral didn't even know that the FSS wrote only one report.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #313 on: May 30, 2017, 10:02:02 AM »
Amaral didn't even know that the FSS wrote only one report.

It may be you that is wrong, not Amaral;

According to a preliminary, not final report made by the Forensic Science Service (FSS) of Birmingham, England
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm
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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #314 on: May 30, 2017, 10:48:37 AM »
I don't need your extract.

Now tell me ferryman, once and for all, what would happen to the Mccanns, if it was shown that an abduction never happened

See my edit above.