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Offline Robittybob1

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2017, 10:29:56 AM »
I don't want anything. I am listening to what Kate McCann says and she says the curtains were drawn. Nobody 'draws' net curtains because the point of nets is that they remain closed all the time.

The patio door curtains were also closed, so Kate's story of glancing behind to see if she'd left the patio door open wouldn't have told her anything - the curtain would have hidden the door.

Regarding the apartment: windows were closed but she doesn't know if they were locked. Veranda window closed but not locked, curtains closed......

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

"Blinds and curtains" could be the "nets and the drapes" drawn.  The shutters may not have been mentioned in that sentence.
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Offline John

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2017, 10:35:07 AM »
"Blinds and curtains" could be the "nets and the drapes" drawn.  The shutters may not have been mentioned in that sentence.

She also claimed the window was fully slid across and the shutter fully up which does not correspond with initial reports.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2017, 10:59:04 AM »
She also claimed the window was fully slid across and the shutter fully up which does not correspond with initial reports.
Who  - was that Fiona?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2017, 11:22:16 AM »
Click on the subtitle icon (bottom right hand side) to turn the English subtitles on.


At least Amaral is consistent despite his critics.
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Offline Benice

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2017, 11:43:32 AM »

Perhaps Benice, you would like to list the 'inaccuracies' in the video, and then they can be discussed.

As you are making allegations, you do need to back it up.

I haven't watched the video yet, but I will later today.

To begin with.

What a big deal Amaral makes in the video  over which door Gerry used to go into 5A!      He even walks the reporter round the route to show how much longer it was not to go in via the patio doors and to emphasise what a big 'lie' Gerry had told.   

 He omits to mention the initial confusion/misunderstandings between the PJ and witnesses when first taking statements that was caused because some people referred to the patio doors as the front door and some referred to them as the back door.   This confusion is mentioned by the UK police officer taking a rog statement from JT.
 
He omits to mention that Gerry corrected that error days later in his very next statement - ( I presume after he had read through it in English).  Instead he gives the impression that the PJ found out about it later - without any assistance from Gerry.       

He omits to mention Gerry's reason for changing his statement - or explain why that reason was not recorded.    One would think that if this was the massively big deal that Amaral was now claiming it to be to that reporter - then surely Gerry's explanation for why he changed his statement would have been of extreme importance to the PJ  and be recorded in detail.    But not a word.  Why not? 

This is a typical example of  'Lying by omission'  IMO.    This is when no actual lie is told -  but instead vital facts are deliberately withheld  from a 'story' in order to con people into believing what they definitely would not believe if those vital facts had been included.

I notice that the distance from the Tapas to the little gate at 5a has shrunk from the 100 metres in his book - to between 40 and 50 metres when he wanted to impress on the reporter how 'strange' it was for Gerry to go the long way round when the back door was so close.

 IMO Amaral took advantage of the fact that there is no record of what Gerry's reasons were for correcting his first statement.  Just as he did with JT when (on his instructions)  because no statement was taken from her to prove otherwise, he claimed she had formally identified RM.

I cannot believe anyone would think that Amaral's description of which door Gerry used was a fair one - by any stretch of the imagination.

AIMHO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

ferryman

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2017, 11:57:42 AM »
So, confusion over prepositions to describe 'front' and 'back', and in any event, who on earth, on holiday, remembers what door they entered or exited a building on a particular occasion at a given moment?

It all pales by comparison with Amaral's 'memory lapses' in forgetting what Mark Harrison's role in the investigation was, or what Stuart Prior did (or did not) say ....

Offline barrier

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2017, 12:03:35 PM »
So, confusion over prepositions to describe 'front' and 'back', and in any event, who on earth, on holiday, remembers what door they entered or exited a building on a particular occasion at a given moment?


When your daughter is alleged to have been abducted wouldn't it be of no surprise to have it indelibly etched on the brain.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2017, 12:14:03 PM »
At least Amaral is consistent despite his critics.

being consistently wrong is nothing to be proud of

stephen25000

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2017, 12:23:16 PM »
To begin with.

What a big deal Amaral makes in the video  over which door Gerry used to go into 5A!      He even walks the reporter round the route to show how much longer it was not to go in via the patio doors and to emphasise what a big 'lie' Gerry had told.   

 He omits to mention the initial confusion/misunderstandings between the PJ and witnesses when first taking statements that was caused because some people referred to the patio doors as the front door and some referred to them as the back door.   This confusion is mentioned by the UK police officer taking a rog statement from JT.
 
He omits to mention that Gerry corrected that error days later in his very next statement - ( I presume after he had read through it in English).  Instead he gives the impression that the PJ found out about it later - without any assistance from Gerry.       

He omits to mention Gerry's reason for changing his statement - or explain why that reason was not recorded.    One would think that if this was the massively big deal that Amaral was now claiming it to be to that reporter - then surely Gerry's explanation for why he changed his statement would have been of extreme importance to the PJ  and be recorded in detail.    But not a word.  Why not? 

This is a typical example of  'Lying by omission'  IMO.    This is when no actual lie is told -  but instead vital facts are deliberately withheld  from a 'story' in order to con people into believing what they definitely would not believe if those vital facts had been included.

I notice that the distance from the Tapas to the little gate at 5a has shrunk from the 100 metres in his book - to between 40 and 50 metres when he wanted to impress on the reporter how 'strange' it was for Gerry to go the long way round when the back door was so close.

 IMO Amaral took advantage of the fact that there is no record of what Gerry's reasons were for correcting his first statement.  Just as he did with JT when (on his instructions)  because no statement was taken from her to prove otherwise, he claimed she had formally identified RM.

I cannot believe anyone would think that Amaral's description of which door Gerry used was a fair one - by any stretch of the imagination.

AIMHO

As a reminder Benice, people can decide for themselves what to believe or disbelieve.

As to real facts in this case, there are many opinions and in reality very little to substantiate what happened.

Amaral, and I have said before, did make mistakes,but then so did the McCann's. The latter being why these matters are being discussed on the forum.

stephen25000

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2017, 12:30:46 PM »
Posters are reminded that when they give opinions, they make that quite clear, and not to imply that they are facts.

Likewise, implying that anyone who states other posters  are 'blind' to the facts, should remember that kind of comment  is goading.

ferryman

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2017, 12:37:02 PM »
When your daughter is alleged to have been abducted wouldn't it be of no surprise to have it indelibly etched on the brain.

The abduction is no doubt indelibly etched on the brains of both Kate and Gerry; details about what door the exited or entered in departing from or arriving at the apartment at given points (unsurprisingly!) less so.

Amaral's 'memory lapses' in recalling who, of key investigators on the ground, did (or did not) so or do certain things is far more significant.

Offline barrier

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2017, 12:41:47 PM »
The abduction is no doubt indelibly etched on the brains of both Kate and Gerry; details about what door the exited or entered in departing from or arriving at the apartment at given points (unsurprisingly!) less so.


Fair enough,so which is the correct version,the front door or the patio door, remember as time went on and no sign of Madeleine its not unfair to surmise that the second statement would be the confused one lack of sleep and the stress,imo of course.
Oh I forgot to ask what abduction?
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stephen25000

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2017, 12:42:58 PM »
The abduction is no doubt indelibly etched on the brains of both Kate and Gerry; details about what door the exited or entered in departing from or arriving at the apartment at given points (unsurprisingly!) less so.

Amaral's 'memory lapses' in recalling who, of key investigators on the ground, did (or did not) so or do certain things is far more significant.

I suggest you adjust your post.

'Abduction' is not a fact.

Offline barrier

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2017, 01:08:18 PM »
Did he saying thing different than what is in the book?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 02:37:01 PM by John »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2017, 01:11:21 PM »
how can anyone take him seriously