CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Benice]

Gerry changed his story. If he explained why it wasn't recorded so how on earth do you expect Amaral to be privy to something only the interpreter heard?

There was no confusion between the PJ and the witnesses unless you have a cite for that? One UK policewoman was a bit slow getting her head round things and that's all. it's hardly fair to take that isolated comment and apply it to every interview in the UK and Portugal, now is it?

Sorry G - I don't understand your first couple of sentences.

IIRC the confusion referred to by the UK police  officer was to confusion caused in the past not during her interview with JT.        Also IIRC in order to prevent it happening  during this interview they agreed to call the patio doors the 'poolside door' and the other door the ' roadside door'. 

I've noticed that other people also described the patio door as the front door.   The 4 ex policemen (can't remember their names) who went over to PDL had a chart on the wall with the  patio door clearly marked as the front door.    I've always thought of the patio door as the back door.

As IMO there is not a single sensible credible reason why Gerry would make the ridiculous claim - of going in via the front door, (i.e. the roadside door)   then common sense alone dictates that a misunderstanding probably occurred between the PJ officer, the interpreter and Gerry during what was the very first interview of this case for all of them.  Not only would Gerry be exhausted and traumatised, he would also be finding it very difficult to concentrate - hoping and praying that news would arrive any second that Madeleine had been found.

AIMHO

[Carana]

Can you give me the time reference in the video where Amaral says that? I found a point where the reporter said it (38.04), but he wasn't present in that clip.

There is much made of the language barrier when supporters are defending the McCanns. Perhaps it might be acknowledged that such things can work both ways. 

Amaral describes in his book how Harrison showed them a video of Grime's dogs in training and at work 'in over 200 investigations'. Did Harrison verbally refer to over 200 investigations? We don't know what he said when promoting the use of the dogs, do we? He may have said the same as Grime below and been misunderstood.


In six years of operational deployment in over 200 criminal case searches
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Criminal case searches are not the same as criminal cases. The dogs were involved in one case in Luz, but carried out many searches.

Grime has said both:

False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

But also, in his CV:
In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

[ferryman]

Please keep to the facts.

It has not been determined what happened to Madeleine.

Unless, and until, gainsaid by a reliable source, this (from the archiving dispatch) remains fact:

The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.

(Portuguese prosecutors).

As does the content of the  final PJ report, written by Inspector Carlos, who states that, at the time of the Smith sighting, and also the time of Kate's alert, Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant. 

Oh, and the remit of Operation Grange, which is treating Madeleine's abduction as if her abduction had occurred in England.

[Angelo222]

If that's the best argument you have its pretty pathetic
Jehovas witnesses haven't been proved wrong
Maddie could not have died falling off the sofa
Proof Amaral is wrong

He suggested she had fallen over the patio balcony and broke her neck. He never said she fell off a sofa.

[stephen25000]

Unless, and until, gainsaid by a reliable source, this (from the archiving dispatch) remains fact:

(Portuguese prosecutors).

As does the content of the report of the final PJ report, written by Inspector Carlos, who states that, at the time of the Smith sighting, and also the time of Kate's alert, Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant. 

Oh, and the remit of Operation Grange, which is treating Madeleine's abduction as if her abduction had occurred in England.

Evidently, you fail to understand the word 'possibility'.

Abduction is one of the scenarios.

It hasn't been proved.

We already know that OG's  remit was limited, and the case will be inevitably shelved as it was before.

[barrier]

Oh, and the remit of Operation Grange, which is treating Madeleine's abduction as if her abduction had occurred in England.

Just because they are following that path it doesn't necessarily mean its the correct one,lack of success could be argued to mean just that imo.

[ferryman]

Evidently, you fail to understand the word 'possibility'.

Abduction is one of the scenarios.

It hasn't been proved.

We already know that OG's  remit was limited, and the case will be inevitably shelved as it was before.

Possibility is a reference to a highly improbable event that, as far as the Prosecutors are concerned, happened.

Ally the reference to the (ancillary) reference to the (sic) non-involvement of the McCanns in (sic) any penally relevant activity and you're there.


And the McCanns (in the opinion of the prosecutors) are not guilty of any crime.

[ferryman]

Grime has said both:

False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

But also, in his CV:
In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Grime is on record as saying operational deployment and over 200 cases.

The true number is operational deployment and 37 cases.

Carana is right.

[stephen25000]

Possibility is a reference to a highly improbable event that, as far as the Prosecutors are concerned, happened.

Ally the reference to the (ancillary) reference to the (sic) non-involvement of the McCanns in (sic) any penally relevant activity and you're there.

Madeleine was abducted

And the McCanns (in the opinion of the prosecutors) are not guilty of any crime.

You can type 'abduction' until the end of time ferryman, and it won't make a difference.

It won't make it true.

However, what is apparent, is that you are obsessed with 'abduction'.

Now, why is that ?

Note the word 'opinion' as well. That is all it is.

[John]

Unless, and until, gainsaid by a reliable source, this (from the archiving dispatch) remains fact:

(Portuguese prosecutors).

As does the content of the  final PJ report, written by Inspector Carlos, who states that, at the time of the Smith sighting, and also the time of Kate's alert, Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant. 

Oh, and the remit of Operation Grange, which is treating Madeleine's abduction as if her abduction had occurred in England.

Kate McCann was overheard to shout "Madeleine's gone!" immediately after discovering her missing.  A search was immediately commenced around Ocean Club in an attempt to find her.  All this despite the claim that the shutter was up and the window open.

The abduction scenario was an afterthought, it is unsupported by any credible evidence.

[ferryman]

Kate McCann was overheard to shout "Madeleine's gone!" immediately after discovering her missing.  A search was immediately commenced around Ocean Club in an attempt to find her.  All this despite the claim that the shutter was up and the window open.

The abduction scenario was an afterthought, it is unsupported by any credible evidence.

It's amazing that there are (or claim to be) posters on this board more astute than either English or Portuguese detectives who actively conducted the investigation in Portugal. 

The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.

Simply, there is no room for doubt about what, at least the Prosecutors thought.

[stephen25000]

It's amazing that there are (or claim to be) posters on this board more astute than either English or Portuguese detectives who actively conducted the investigation in Portugal.

....and these detectives have found ......

[ferryman]

....and these detectives have found ......

Sufficient evidence to be sure that neither the McCanns nor Robert Murat had any involvement in Madeleine's abduction.

Who knows what else?

[stephen25000]

Sufficient evidence to be sure that neither the McCanns nor Robert Murat had any involvement in Madeleine's abduction.

Who knows what else?

You really haven't been taking notice ferryman.

The prosecutors, gave an opinion.

An opinion is not proof of 'abduction'.

Pray tell, when will you understand that ?

[Mr Gray]

He suggested she had fallen over the patio balcony and broke her neck. He never said she fell off a sofa.

cite for falling over balcony.....never herad amaral say that