CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[stephen25000]

The remit of operation grange is much more up-to-date than the archiving dispatch.

It is treating Madeleine's abduction as if her abduction had occurred in the UK.

How many times do you need to be told that abduction is not a fact ?

[Mr Gray]

How many times do you need to be told that abduction is not a fact ?

most of what amaral is claiming as fact on the video is not fact...the man clearly does not have a clue

[ferryman]

How many times do you need to be told that abduction is not a fact ?

An assertion that has not been gainsaid is close enough to a fact for me

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps Benice, you would like to list the 'inaccuracies' in the video, and then they can be discussed.

As you are making allegations, you do need to back it up.

I haven't watched the video yet, but I will later today.

Ive listed the innaccuracies but no one wants to discuss them because they are impossible to defend and merely show that amaral did not have a clue

[ShiningInLuz]

We shall have to agree to disagree then G - as I don't believe Gerry did say it.   IMO he may have said 'the front door' but was talking about the patio door.     I believe he and the PJ officer were genuinely at cross-purposes over which door was which. 

For what possible reason would he decide to say he went all the way round to the front door - after already confirming that the patio door, a couple of seconds walk away, was open?   He would need to have a good reason for making that claim - as it doesn't make any sense for him to do that - (especially if he needed the loo).     

Sorry but as you give no reason why Gerry would suddenly decide do something so inexplicable -  then just giving ''he went in by the front door'' as a credible reason doesn't work for me.    What was his motive?

It seems clear to me that the PJ officer was not familiar with the layout of 5A or the immediate area  - because if he was then surely he would have asked Gerry the obvious question i.e.  ''WHY did you walk past the open patio door and go all that long way round to the front door?'' during that interview.     

If he had  - then I think any misunderstanding about the doors would have been cleared up there and then.

AIMHO

The key word is 'chave' which is Portuguese for key.  It cannot be mistranslated as front or rear.  It means a KEY.

[stephen25000]

I will keep repeating the facts for as long as I post here.

Unless, or until, someone points to something credible that gainsays abduction, Madeleine was abducted.

The Portuguese prosecutors said so.

The remit of Operation Grange says so.

The final PJ report ruled out woke and wandered.

The archiving dispatch ruled out the commission of any crime by the McCanns.

I will keep repeating to you, until you comprehend, that abduction is an unproven theory, just as with the other two. 

I wonder how you will manage when you he case is shelved.

[Carana]

The key word is 'chave' which is Portuguese for key.  It cannot be mistranslated as front or rear.  It means a KEY.

I'm aware of that, SIL.

That's not my point, though.

It would be easy for either the police officer or the interpreter to scribble notes to get the gist of the layout of the flat and, between the three of them, got mixed up when the statement got written up.

I've made statements to the police before, in a language that I didn't understand myself at the time, but with the assistance of someone who did.

It was only many years later that I came across it again in a dusty file and found that most of the rest of it was total gibberish.

I had simply scoured it at the time for the essential details (one of which was my stolen passport). And, yes, it had been read back to me, but nothing aside from the essentials had registered.

[Mr Gray]

The key word is 'chave' which is Portuguese for key.  It cannot be mistranslated as front or rear.  It means a KEY.

there is no proof that gerry used the word. His statements are not translations of what he said they are paraphrased.
Without a transcript of his actual english words we cannot know what he said

[stephen25000]

it seems certain posters have problems with facts

What facts, including forensic evidence, show an abduction ?

Now, let's have an answer with cites, and not opinions.

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm aware of that, SIL.

That's not my point, though.

It would be easy for either the police officer or the interpreter to scribble notes to get the gist of the layout of the flat and, between the three of them, got mixed up when the statement got written up.

I've made statements to the police before, in a language that I didn't understand myself at the time, but with the assistance of someone who did.

It was only many years later that I came across it again in a dusty file and found that most of the rest of it was total gibberish.

I had simply scoured it at the time for the essential details (one of which was my stolen passport). And, yes, it had been read back to me, but nothing aside from the essentials had registered.

Unless you think the translator misunderstood Gerry saying front or rear as 'using a key', then retranslated it back at the end as front or rear, then you are simply ignoring everything in the statements.

Gerry said he used a key.  Then he said Matthew went in by the patio doors.  Then he said Kate used a key.

Then Kate said she used the patio door, with Gerry present at the interview.

Then (10th May) Gerry changed it to using the patio doors.  No key.

We have given a statement about a crime occurring in Iberia.  That statement was signed to confirm it was accurate, because it was.  It contained the pertinent facts.

[Mr Gray]

What facts, including forensic evidence show an abduction ?

Now, let's have an answer with cites, and not opinions.

the thread is about amarals video....he states many things as facts which are not...he obviously does not have a clue..
perhaps you could address this as its the title of the thread rather than diverting

[Mr Gray]

Unless you think the translator misunderstood Gerry saying front or rear as 'using a key', then retranslated it back at the end as front or rear, then you are simply ignoring everything in the statements.

Gerry said he used a key.  Then he said Matthew went in by the patio doors.  Then he said Kate used a key.

Then Kate said she used the patio door, with Gerry present at the interview.

Then (10th May) Gerry changed it to using the patio doors.  No key.

We have given a statement about a crime occurring in Iberia.  That statement was signed to confirm it was accurate, because it was.  It contained the pertinent facts.

the statement is not verbatim and therefore it is a fact that we cannot be sure that gerry used teh word key

we also know the pj did not use professional translators

[stephen25000]

So , still no facts to support abduction.

I have no problem with those who disbelieve Amaral.

However, saying he hasn't a clue, is ridiculous.

He was there on the scene, and we simply do not know the entire contents of the police files.

As to those who criticize Amaral's ethics or intelligence, well that is hardly surprising , as they back the McCann's 100%, and are hardly going to shower him with praise.

[Eleanor]

Unless you think the translator misunderstood Gerry saying front or rear as 'using a key', then retranslated it back at the end as front or rear, then you are simply ignoring everything in the statements.

Gerry said he used a key.  Then he said Matthew went in by the patio doors.  Then he said Kate used a key.

Then Kate said she used the patio door, with Gerry present at the interview.

Then (10th May) Gerry changed it to using the patio doors.  No key.

We have given a statement about a crime occurring in Iberia.  That statement was signed to confirm it was accurate, because it was.  It contained the pertinent facts.

Goodness me, they must have really wanted to raise suspicions against themselves.

[Mr Gray]

So , still no facts to support abduction.

I have no problem with those who disbelieve Amaral.

However, saying he hasn't a clue, is ridiculous.

He was there on the scene, and we simply do not know the entire contents of the police files.

As to those who criticize Amaral's ethics or intelligence, well that is hardly surprising , they are hardly going to shower him with praise.

amarals analysis of the evidence is totally flawed...a fact you wish to ignore... i have pointed out clearly where it is flawed...thats why i beleive he doesnt have a clue




i believe maddie was abducted based on the evidence which I have explainned point by point