CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Robittybob1]

His wife heard somebody calling for Madeleine? What time did the Carpenters leave? Russell did not see any parked cars when he left to check at 21:25.

"I didn’t see any cars parked or anyone standing around or loitering."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

The place is full of cars.  That would only make sense if you knew exactly where he was talking about.
I didn’t see any cars parked [where?] or anyone standing around or loitering [where?]."

[Angelo222]

It would be VERY dark along there and IMO no woman would feel safe walking along there on her own.
 
IMO, the photo you show has probably been photo-shopped, the white lighting has been added.   That is unless the lights are affixed to the alleyway wall on the tapas side.  I cant pick them out on Google earth.  If affixed there, they would cast no light over the walkway or the apartments.  Almost pitch black along that alleyway Angelo.  Creepy.
 
AIMHO

You raise some excellent points Sadie about the lights.  The white 'blobs' which you referred to are in fact lights attached to the garden boundary wall (see photo below) and would not shed any light on the path behind.  However, if you look carefully at thgec photo you will see that the individual apartments have patio lights one of which at 5H is clearly lit.  I believe the Paynes used that apartment so undoubtedly left the patio light on each evening.

You have no evidence to substantiate your assertion that no woman would walk along that alley because it was dark.  It is merely your opinion.





In fact, the famous Martin Brunt photo taken from inside the tapas tent at night shows the backdrop to be pretty well illuminated.

[Robittybob1]

If Kate and Gerry KNOW that they were not involved and they KNOW that Madeleine was incapable of opening the window and opening the shutter .. and also incapable of leaving the apartment by any of the routes mentioned why shouldn't they use the word "abducted"? 

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That is how I see it, but maybe it goes against YOUR theory cos I cant understand that you are not taking on board the fact that three lots of different people have very definitely pointed to Gerry and Jez being by the Alleyway.

IMO

There was nothing stopping Madeleine exiting the front door, it wasn't locked.
Which means Jez crossed the road and confronted Gerry.  Why would he do that? 

[Angelo222]

There was nothing stopping Madeleine exiting the front door, it wasn't locked.
Which means Jez crossed the road and confronted Gerry.  Why would he do that?

For a chat silly.  That's what people do on holiday when they are bored.

[pathfinder73]

The place is full of cars.  That would only make sense if you knew exactly where he was talking about.
I didn’t see any cars parked [where?] or anyone standing around or loitering [where?]."

On that road when he left to check at 21:25.

"I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well’.  So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine, I suppose.  Erm, and as we, you know, it will probably come back to, but as you asked me the other day, I didn’t certainly notice anything particularly strange or different, I didn’t see any cars parked or anyone standing around or loitering. "

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[pathfinder73]

It was Stephen Carpenter who mentioned the cars

You don't know what time the Carpenters left. He didn't know - only guessed. No parked cars on the route back when Gerry/Jez/Jane left nor at 21:25 according to Russell.

[G-Unit]

Of course they KNOW if they were involved ... and more than anyone else in the World, they KNOW if Madeleine was capable of doing all the things that some of you ascribe to her.  Because of her height and weight, she is mechanically disadvantaged to do several of the things that are ascribed to her.

They do indeed know, but you don't. You only know what they say.

[faithlilly]

How do we know that he didn't?     IMO he did - as he must have explained to the PJ  the reason WHY he wanted changes made to his previous statement.   That's just common sense.    The above statement is not verbatim and is only a summarised version   - so we have no idea of what discussion took place regarding this subject.   

I cannot believe that any police officer worth his salt would NOT have asked him for an explanation as to why he wanted to change his previous statement if Gerry had not already explained why.      The fact that his reason for wanting to change his statement is not recorded says it all IMO.

Re your first para above.  Those are the changes Gerry made, they do not give the reason why he made them.

AIMHO

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Gerry signed the statement. Surely if he had been misrepresented he wouldn't have?

The questions the PJ should or shouldn't have asked are irrelevant.

[Brietta]

I think it is worth bearing in mind that O Enigma is a portrayal of an opinion ... or if preferred, a thesis based on personal knowledge gained between May 2007 and September 2007.

It features decisions to make three persons arguidos against whom the Policia Judiciaria subsequently found there was no case to answer.

Therefore a conclusion reached was based on a premise which was later proved unfounded ... and that is O Enigma.

In my opinion ~ a cop using media to do what he was unable to do because there was no evidence at all backing up his suspicions.
I have no doubt there is indeed an enigma ... just not the one he is selling.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think it is worth bearing in mind that O Enigma is a portrayal of an opinion ... or if preferred, a thesis based on personal knowledge gained between May 2007 and September 2007.

It features decisions to make three persons arguidos against whom the Policia Judiciaria subsequently found there was no case to answer.

Therefore a conclusion reached was based on a premise which was later proved unfounded ... and that is O Enigma.

In my opinion ~ a cop using media to do what he was unable to do because there was no evidence at all backing up his suspicions.
I have no doubt there is indeed an enigma ... just not the one he is selling.

That is your opinion not reflected by fact therefore you should say as much.
The inquiry was filed because it was not possible to determine whether or not there was a case to be answered.

[sadie]

They do indeed know, but you don't. You only know what they say.

 IMO

[Robittybob1]

On that road when he left to check at 21:25.

"I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well’.  So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine, I suppose.  Erm, and as we, you know, it will probably come back to, but as you asked me the other day, I didn’t certainly notice anything particularly strange or different, I didn’t see any cars parked or anyone standing around or loitering. "

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

So the car wasn't there then the one the manger talked about.  "When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one. "
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

[Robittybob1]

You don't know what time the Carpenters left. He didn't know - only guessed. No parked cars on the route back when Gerry/Jez/Jane left nor at 21:25 according to Russell.

Why would they be remembering if there were cars? 

[Alice Purjorick]

How does all this have relevance since that nice DCI Andy greased Tannerman?

[Robittybob1]

How does all this have relevance since that nice DCI Andy greased Tannerman?

We don't believe him entirely for he was almost certain.