CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[misty]

The Prosecutor realised in September 2007 that the time of Madeleine's disappearance had never been confirmed;

whether to confirm or deny its occurrence in relation to the crimes of abduction, homicide, exposure to abandonment and hiding of the body and according to defined plan,it is necessary to document the real time of the disappearance in question, establish the location of each of the intervening parties - from the McCann couple to the group of friends who were on holiday with them in the Ocean Club tourist apartments in Praia da Luz :
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

The following day Mr Smith contacted UK police to tell them of his suspicions about who he saw on 3rd May. I think that made it imperative that the timeline was examined, because the timeline was Gerry's alibi for the time of the Smith sighting. Accordingly;

In the letter of request sent to the United Kingdom relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann it was requested that the witnesses who were on holiday with Madeleine's parents would inform us about their availability to come to Portugal to do a reconstruction, the dates proposed being 28/29 April or 15/16 May
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

The people in the timeline were his alibis, not the timeline itself. Martin Smith's own timeline was incorrect.

[slartibartfast]

I have never said I have any evidence per se. It is speculation based on the fact that SY elected to reveal Crecheman as Tannerman thus removing that sighting from the equation, yet there remain a few major questions as to how that revelation could be validated. I'm not asking you to believe it.

Please stop the unnecessary speculation.

[Eleanor]

Please stop the unnecessary speculation.

This entire Board and Case is about Speculation.  It is not reasonable to expect this to stop.

[misty]

If no-one recognised him why are you so sure that he exists?

No-one recognised him from the description given by Jane. Crecheman placed himself & his family in the vicinity of Block 5 around the appropriate time. What has not been confirmed by the Met is that Crecheman himself said he walked from west to east across the junction rather than the opposite way.
I am sure he exists, as shown in the photo on Crimewatch 2013.

[misty]

Please stop the unnecessary speculation.

If we are permitted to discuss Amaral & his coffin theories, his freezer theories & Jane Tanner using a different route back to her apartment I don't understand why you object to me speculating about SY's reasons for elimating Tannerman rather than Amaral's total disbelief of him. The difference is, I am not presenting any of my speculation as fact.

ETA John read this topic late last night & didn't remove any of my posts.

[Brietta]

Please stop the unnecessary speculation.

The conversation has arisen as a direct result of discussion on Amaral's theory as portrayed in 'O Enigma - with English subtitles' ... in my opinion one individual's theory is as good as another's if on topic.

Please do not make the attempt to curtail free speech because you do not like what is being said.

In my very firm opinion Misty's theory has the benefit of never having been discussed before - it is therefore innovative for a change.

In my opinion Misty's theory which is mostly based on information available in the files and is therefore as valid as discussion on Amaral's to which you appear to have no objection.

In my opinion Misty's theory is not outwith the bounds of possibility and stands as a rejection of the Amaral portrayal of Jane Tanner's evidence ... as portrayed in 'CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles'.
Something along the lines of - right of reply.

[G-Unit]

No-one recognised him from the description given by Jane. Crecheman placed himself & his family in the vicinity of Block 5 around the appropriate time. What has not been confirmed by the Met is that Crecheman himself said he walked from west to east across the junction rather than the opposite way.
I am sure he exists, as shown in the photo on Crimewatch 2013.

No-one recognised him from the description given by Jane as far as you know. No-one has identified him after the Crimewatch programme either as far as you know. In both cases the truth is that you don't know. Therefore the lack of identification can't be quoted as if it's evidence; it's an assumption.

[slartibartfast]

This entire Board and Case is about Speculation.  It is not reasonable to expect this to stop.

Well some posts seem to be removed for that reason?

[Alice Purjorick]

The conversation has arisen as a direct result of discussion on Amaral's theory as portrayed in 'O Enigma - with English subtitles' ... in my opinion one individual's theory is as good as another's if on topic.

Please do not make the attempt to curtail free speech because you do not like what is being said.

In my very firm opinion Misty's theory has the benefit of never having been discussed before - it is therefore innovative for a change.

In my opinion Misty's theory which is mostly based on information available in the files and is therefore as valid as discussion on Amaral's to which you appear to have no objection.

In my opinion Misty's theory is not outwith the bounds of possibility and stands as a rejection of the Amaral portrayal of Jane Tanner's evidence ... as portrayed in 'CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles'.
Something along the lines of - right of reply.

I feel a George Mparrbe moment coming on.

[misty]

No-one recognised him from the description given by Jane as far as you know. No-one has identified him after the Crimewatch programme either as far as you know. In both cases the truth is that you don't know. Therefore the lack of identification can't be quoted as if it's evidence; it's an assumption.

If someone had already recognised Tannerman from Jane's description, what was DCI Redwood's revelation moment all about? You can't have it both ways.

[Eleanor]

Well some posts seem to be removed for that reason?

Also by you.  Frequently.

[G-Unit]

If someone had already recognised Tannerman from Jane's description, what was DCI Redwood's revelation moment all about? You can't have it both ways.

I didn't say they had. You said they hadn't. I merely pointed out that you are speculating. I can do that too, then we can both talk about things that may or may not have happened;

Someone could have contacted OG and said they thought Tannerman sounded to them like one of the guests. They may have said he used the creche that night, he was dressed in similar clothes and carrying his child. OG checked him out and came to the conclusion that JT had seen him, an innocent guest.

[misty]

I didn't say they had. You said they hadn't. I merely pointed out that you are speculating. I can do that too, then we can both talk about things that may or may not have happened;

Someone could have contacted OG and said they thought Tannerman sounded to them like one of the guests. They may have said he used the creche that night, he was dressed in similar clothes and carrying his child. OG checked him out and came to the conclusion that JT had seen him, an innocent guest.

Why did that someone wait over 4 years to contact OG? I can speculate that Crecheman didn't follow up his own disclosures simply because he couldn't place himself crossing that junction as described by JT.

[jassi]

Or perhaps crecheman doesn't exist.

[Miss Taken Identity]

 

Or perhaps crecheman doesn't exist.

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