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Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1140 on: September 17, 2017, 06:04:16 PM »
Or perhaps crecheman doesn't exist.

How do you think the 11 children from 8 different families using the creche that night got back to their apartments?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1141 on: September 17, 2017, 06:12:45 PM »
How do you think the 11 children from 8 different families using the creche that night got back to their apartments?

Well, as it was cold, hopefully they had shoes or slippers and a warm blanket or coat. would they pass by the McCanns apartment anyway?
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Offline jassi

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1142 on: September 17, 2017, 06:16:20 PM »
How do you think the 11 children from 8 different families using the creche that night got back to their apartments?

By travelling in the right direction, maybe.

They could also have been crechewoman or even crechecouples.
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OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1143 on: September 17, 2017, 06:23:05 PM »
By travelling in the right direction, maybe.

They could also have been crechewoman or even crechecouples.

with a little creche dog...
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Offline G-Unit

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1144 on: September 17, 2017, 06:35:49 PM »
Why did that someone wait over 4 years to contact OG? I can speculate that Crecheman didn't follow up his own disclosures simply because he couldn't place himself crossing that junction as described by JT.

Because they didn't want to say that JT might have just seen a fellow guest in case they were wrong. Maybe OG contacted them because they were one of the eight families who used the creche. Maybe maybe maybe........

Which just goes to show that speculation may be entertaining but it's no substitute for known facts.



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Offline G-Unit

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1145 on: September 17, 2017, 06:57:12 PM »
with a little creche dog...

It was very quiet. None of the T5 who checked saw anyone or were seen by anyone except Wilkins even though;


The Moyes came back at 9, were on their balcony at 9.15
The executive chef drove past 5A and parked outside the Tapas 9.10
Up to seven families left the Tapas complex after their dinner.
Various parents were carrying children around.


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Offline Brietta

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1146 on: September 17, 2017, 07:16:52 PM »
How do you think the 11 children from 8 different families using the creche that night got back to their apartments?

Was the information there right from the beginning?

It does not appear to me to have been a herculean task.

The Policia Judiciaria were in possession of Jane Tanner's witness statement ... and as the only eye witness testimony I think it would have made sense to prioritise it and put it together immediately.
  • Speak to the on duty nannies at the creche
  • Check the names of the children present that evening and collected from the creche
  • Speak to the parents to ascertain their route home and if they had seen anything out of place or suspicious now that a child was missing
  • Pay particular attention to those whose path took them anywhere near the vicinity of block 5
I don't think that amounts to hindsight ... I think it amounts to diligence and a very obvious sequence of events which should have been dealt with as a matter of urgency.

In my opinion there is an obvious outrage here.
It is that evidence in the shape of a parent who collected his child from a creche on the night Madeleine disappeared ... and whose route home took him into the vicinity of the the apartment from where she disappeared ... was missed by the initial investigators.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1147 on: September 17, 2017, 07:19:00 PM »
Maybe Jane Tanner confused her left with her right, saw Crecheman moving east to west but remembered him moving west to east.
Well it's plausible isn't it ?
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Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1148 on: September 17, 2017, 07:31:32 PM »
Maybe Jane Tanner confused her left with her right, saw Crecheman moving east to west but remembered him moving west to east.
Well it's plausible isn't it ?

If you say so, Alice - although speculation & changing facts does not go down well in some quarters. She got her dots wrong.  &%&£(+

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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #1149 on: September 17, 2017, 07:45:46 PM »
Maybe Jane Tanner confused her left with her right, saw Crecheman moving east to west but remembered him moving west to east.
Well it's plausible isn't it ?

Very plausible. Many people have trouble following directions when driving because they confuse left and right.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1150 on: September 17, 2017, 07:52:02 PM »
If you say so, Alice - although speculation & changing facts does not go down well in some quarters. She got her dots wrong.  &%&£(+

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She's got Gerry on the left hand pavement too; he says he was on the right hand pavement.
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Offline jassi

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1151 on: September 17, 2017, 07:53:36 PM »
She's got Gerry on the left hand pavement too; he says he was on the right hand pavement.

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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Robittybob1

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1152 on: September 17, 2017, 08:19:17 PM »
8((()*/
I initially thought this is impossible but as you point out the occurrence  of two possible incidents of the same.
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Offline sadie

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1153 on: September 17, 2017, 09:11:25 PM »
Please stop the unnecessary speculation.
It is most intersting as proved by the people responding.  Misty is up front about it being a theory and it should be OK cos everyone knows that.

Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #1154 on: September 17, 2017, 09:17:58 PM »
She's got Gerry on the left hand pavement too; he says he was on the right hand pavement.

If Tannerman had been going from east to west, Jane would have been following him after she reached the corner of the junction.......