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As we know, there have been a number:  the Judge Rinder programme, "The Lost Honour of Christopher Jefferies", "Murder at Christmas", to name three, but tonight, I watched "Countdown to Murder", made in March 2015, just after VT's conviction for possessing indecent images of children.  The programme is one of a series. It features interviews with Mr and Mrs Yeates, Chris Jefferies, Ann Redrop, and DCI Phil Jones, as well as a journalist (can't remember his name) and Professor David Wilson.

I thought this programme contained a number of "inconsistencies."

It begins with the following:

Vincent Tabak "fantasised about having a relationship " with Joanna Yeates.

While Jo was walking home from the Bristol Ram, VT was "waiting for her, fantasising about abusing her."

"Tabak played out his fantasies with prostitutes, but when he returned from abroad, he realised he had a pretty new neighbour."

He "lusted after Joanna Yeates."

Is there any evidence for any of this??????

The commentator then goes on to say that while Jo was on her journey home, "Vincent Tabak was stroking Bernard the cat whom he had grabbed from the hallway."

I have heard theories that VT may have used the cat as an excuse to call on Jo, but honestly, there is no evidence, and the above comment is pure speculation------just as speculative as anything any of us have done on this forum!!!

According to the programme, Jo went into her bedroom, took off her boots, and put on a pair of her boyfriend's ski socks. Apparently,after murdering her, VT removed one of the socks and kept it as a trophy.

This documentary tells us that VT grabbed Jo, forced himself onto her, the fight continued in her bedroom, where he killed her. 

So, where is the forensic evidence from her bedclothes?????

He is then "thought to have" gone back to his flat, grabbed a bicycle cover, dragged Jo into her lounge, put the body in the cycle cover, and then lifted it into his boot.  No mention of taking her to his flat, note.

DCI Jones tells us that VT was captured on CCTV in ASDA at 10.30pm.  (I thought there was no timestamp????)


There are several other aspects of this documentary that made me rather cross!  I would call it propaganda !


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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2017, 12:18:16 PM »
...I would call it propaganda !
We are now looking at a golf-playing serial killer who not only owns chains of pubs and favours attractive young women as victims, including Joanna Yeates, but who also has corporate financial interests in a range of TV production companies and can pull strings to influence their output.

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Re: TV Programmes made after Vincent Tabak's conviction for murder.
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2017, 01:34:50 PM »
As we know, there have been a number:  the Judge Rinder programme, "The Lost Honour of Christopher Jefferies", "Murder at Christmas", to name three, but tonight, I watched "Countdown to Murder", made in March 2015, just after VT's conviction for possessing indecent images of children.  The programme is one of a series. It features interviews with Mr and Mrs Yeates, Chris Jefferies, Ann Redrop, and DCI Phil Jones, as well as a journalist (can't remember his name) and Professor David Wilson.

I thought this programme contained a number of "inconsistencies."

It begins with the following:

Vincent Tabak "fantasised about having a relationship " with Joanna Yeates.

While Jo was walking home from the Bristol Ram, VT was "waiting for her, fantasising about abusing her."

"Tabak played out his fantasies with prostitutes, but when he returned from abroad, he realised he had a pretty new neighbour."

He "lusted after Joanna Yeates."

Is there any evidence for any of this??????

The commentator then goes on to say that while Jo was on her journey home, "Vincent Tabak was stroking Bernard the cat whom he had grabbed from the hallway."

I have heard theories that VT may have used the cat as an excuse to call on Jo, but honestly, there is no evidence, and the above comment is pure speculation------just as speculative as anything any of us have done on this forum!!!

According to the programme, Jo went into her bedroom, took off her boots, and put on a pair of her boyfriend's ski socks. Apparently,after murdering her, VT removed one of the socks and kept it as a trophy.

This documentary tells us that VT grabbed Jo, forced himself onto her, the fight continued in her bedroom, where he killed her. 

So, where is the forensic evidence from her bedclothes?????

He is then "thought to have" gone back to his flat, grabbed a bicycle cover, dragged Jo into her lounge, put the body in the cycle cover, and then lifted it into his boot.  No mention of taking her to his flat, note.

DCI Jones tells us that VT was captured on CCTV in ASDA at 10.30pm.  (I thought there was no timestamp????)


There are several other aspects of this documentary that made me rather cross!  I would call it propaganda !

I'll have to re watch that mrswah... but in the meantime.. I have just posted about her journey home... it doesn't even allow for Dr Vincent Tabak to wave at Joanna Yeates ...

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Re: TV Programmes made after Vincent Tabak's conviction for murder.
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
We are now looking at a golf-playing serial killer who not only owns chains of pubs and favours attractive young women as victims, including Joanna Yeates, but who also has corporate financial interests in a range of TV production companies and can pull strings to influence their output.


Or they are actually three different..."Cases ...

(1): Maybe Golf playing Corporate finance person

(2): Serial Killer

(3): The Person who is responsible for Joanna Yeates death...

Or...

(1): Corporate finance Person..

(2): Golf playing serial killer

(3):The Person who is responsible for Joanna Yeates death...

They are probably all seperate  Cases ..... unless someone know differently???


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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2017, 10:28:27 AM »
Ok, on to the "Judge Rinder" programme, again one episode in a series of true crime documentaries. This was first aired in the summer of 2016. 

This programme features some of Joanna's relatives, as well as her parents, and we learn a fair amount about what Joanna was like as a child, for example, she loved the outdoors, horse riding, painting and designing. Also, we learn that her father worked abroad quite often, so Joanna and her mother were particularly close. She  was also particularly close to her cousin, who was only eighteen months younger than her.

Joanna had lived, studied and worked in Hampshire before going to Bristol, and studying for her second degree in Landscape Architecture. She was popular and enjoyed rowing.

According to the programme, Jo and Greg did not live together before moving to Canynge Road.

To avoid long posts, I will continue this in a separate one!


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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2017, 10:39:16 AM »
"Judge Rinder"  continued.


Mrs Yeates confirmed that it was not unusual for Jo not to reply to text messages.

Jo's parents said that when they arrived at the flat, it "wasn't in the state they expected."  They felt sure that Jo had been taken from the flat "either dead or alive".  The state of the flat indicated that nobody had been there all weekend, it was untidy, and the washing up had not been done.

My comment:  by the time Jo's parents arrived at the flat, Greg had been home for several hours, and had done some  tidying  up (he said this in court). So, not quite true that nobody had been there all weekend.

Mrs Yeates said she found the Tesco receipt in Jo's coat pocket.

The programme states that Vincent and Tanja came round to the flat at 6am, to find out what was going on, and to see if they could do anything to help.

According to CJ, who was also interviewed for this programme, everyone in the house was interviewed, all gave statements, all had their DNA and fingerprints taken. This was all voluntary, and nobody was concerned about co-operating, as nobody had anything to hide.


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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 10:48:17 AM »
Judge Rinder-----continued---

There was concern for Joanna from the start because her disappearance was out of character.

Jo's parents, brother and Greg took part in a press conference on 21st December.

Jo left the Bristol Ram at 8pm, and nobody was following her.

Both parents thought she was dead, and her father admits that it was a relief when her body was found.

CJ says that he had been to the gym on the Friday evening, arrived home at about 9pm, and was parking his car when he thought he heard and saw people walking up the driveway.

After giving his second statement to the police, the press kept pestering him, and he refused to talk to them.

He was arrested the following day at 7am, and the police took his car (the Chrysler).

CJ felt he might have been framed because:

He had access to all the flats.

He had given the police a further statement.

He arrived home at around the same time as Jo, and had no alibi for the rest of the evening.

The police were under a lot of media pressure.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 10:59:12 AM »
Judge Rinder (continued)

Vincent Tabak called the police from Holland after seeing the news of CJ's arrest on television.

He implied that CJ's vehicle had been moved overnight.

CJ was released on bail late on 1st January, and went to stay with friends.

VT aroused suspicion when he was interviewed in Holland because he asked a number of questions pertaining to the forensic investigations. He admitted to having walked past Joanna's front door on Friday 17th, and had slipped on the ice.

"DNA was all that they needed" (ie to arrest VT, although I don't recall who said that).

VT was "clearly surprised" at being arrested, and so was CJ, who described VT and TM as "pleasant, self possessed and extremely polite." CJ thought the police had made another mistake.

When arrested on 20th January, Vincent denied any knowledge of Jo's murder.

However, one spot of blood was found on the rubber seal of Tanja's car boot.

At 8pm on Sunday 19th, VT was googling Longwood Lane, and zooming in on the very spot where Jo's body was found.

My comment:  do we know whether VT and TM were elsewhere at 8pm on Sunday 19th??

He was charged on 22nd January.






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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 11:06:03 AM »
Judge Rinder (continued)

It became obvious that VT had a lot of pornography on his computer, some featuring strangulation, and that he "enjoyed violent, extreme pornography."

In February 2011, VT disclosed that he had killed Jo, and was going to admit it.

CJ remained on bail because VT refused to say anything during his police interviews, so the police thought CJ might still have some involvement in Jo's death.

According to DCI Phil Jones, Jo was killed by 9pm on the Friday night.

 VT deliberately "put himself on CCTV to text his girlfriend"

Jo's aunt and uncle comment on seeing VT in court, noting his size, and realising that Jo would never have stood a chance.

Mr Yeates says that VT apologised for moving Jo, but not for killing her.

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 11:49:38 AM »
"Judge Rinder"  continued...

The programme states that Vincent and Tanja came round to the flat at 6am, to find out what was going on, and to see if they could do anything to help.
If the defendant himself actually accompanied his girlfriend voluntarily on a 6am visit to Mr & Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon and officer Anneleise Jackson, into the flat where he was charged with carrying out the murder, and where he was alleged to have been afraid of his DNA being discovered, why did none of the witnesses (Greg, Anneleise and Vincent himself) even mention this visit in court? Why were Mr & Mrs Yeates, who were in court already, not called into the witness box to tell the jury how the defendant behaved during this astonishing visit? The jury heard plenty of silly nonsense about his behaviour and remarks after the crime in statements from witnesses who had attended parties with Vincent read out in court.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2017, 01:23:58 PM »
Judge Rinder (continued)
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"DNA was all that they needed" (ie to arrest VT, although I don't recall who said that).
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Judge Rinder is the only source that states that everyone in the house had their DNA and fingerprints taken. This HAS to include Vincent Tabak. It is Christopher Jefferies himself who says it in this programme, so it must be true!!! In that case, why should DC Karen Thomas take these samples AGAIN in Holland? Why should nurse Booth-Pearson taken them YET AGAIN on 20th January 2011? Apart from that, Christopher Jefferies also "knew" that Vincent Tabak "had" something to hide, when he talked to Judge Rinder in 2016.

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2017, 04:52:16 PM »
Judge Rinder is the only source that states that everyone in the house had their DNA and fingerprints taken. This HAS to include Vincent Tabak. It is Christopher Jefferies himself who says it in this programme, so it must be true!!! In that case, why should DC Karen Thomas take these samples AGAIN in Holland? Why should nurse Booth-Pearson taken them YET AGAIN on 20th January 2011? Apart from that, Christopher Jefferies also "knew" that Vincent Tabak "had" something to hide, when he talked to Judge Rinder in 2016.

I had never even heard of the Judge Rinder series, until I watched this on You Tube.  Yes, it is Christopher Jefferies who says it: watch it, and you will see !!!   But, is it true?  I don't know.  Do you?  Does anyone?

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2017, 07:36:59 PM »
I had never even heard of the Judge Rinder series, until I watched this on You Tube.  Yes, it is Christopher Jefferies who says it: watch it, and you will see !!!   But, is it true?  I don't know.  Do you?  Does anyone?

In the light of what has been said... I'm starting to watch this program again.... The first 16 second are revealing... Joanna Yeates father is extremely angry and her mother devastated....

Which is hardly surprising.... considering the circumstances ...
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2017, 09:14:42 AM »
If the defendant himself actually accompanied his girlfriend voluntarily on a 6am visit to Mr & Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon and officer Anneleise Jackson, into the flat where he was charged with carrying out the murder, and where he was alleged to have been afraid of his DNA being discovered, why did none of the witnesses (Greg, Anneleise and Vincent himself) even mention this visit in court? Why were Mr & Mrs Yeates, who were in court already, not called into the witness box to tell the jury how the defendant behaved during this astonishing visit? The jury heard plenty of silly nonsense about his behaviour and remarks after the crime in statements from witnesses who had attended parties with Vincent read out in court.

This may well not have happened at all, Leonora. There are many "inconsistences"  in the media reports--both in these documentaries and in the newspapers. I am about to write about the "Murder at Christmas" documentary---which, at least, was made in 2011.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 09:35:10 AM »
The Crimewatch Documentary and "Murder at Christmas."

A Crimewatch appeal was being prepared to help find Jo. As we all know, the Crimewatch series exists to help the police solve crimes, particularly crimes that are proving difficult to solve, and   not cases that have been solved (or which are thought to have been solved). I believe the programme about Jo was due to be aired on 26th January 2011. by this time, Vincent Tabak had been charged with Jo's murder, and so the programme was not aired.

The "Murder at Christmas" documentary was made shortly after VT's conviction. It is available on You Tube (in three parts), and there are several versions of it, not necessarily with the same title.  One version is introduced by the Crimewatch team.