Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?

[Erngath]

I think you have your facts and opinion mixed up.  Amaral's claims have never been accepted on this forum as fact unless backed up by evidence

So why is his video  on this forum where he states his beliefs without evidence.

[Mr Gray]

I think you have your facts and opinion mixed up.  Amaral's claims have never been accepted on this forum as fact unless backed up by evidence.

As for your evidence of abduction, more hot air.

I have nothing mixed up...evidence for abduction..its there .....Redwood has confirmed it...as for amarals claims...his video is allowed on this forum without caveat where he claims opinin as fact

[stephen25000]

I have nothing mixed up...evidence for abduction..its there .....Redwood has confirmed it...as for amarals claims...his video is allowed on this forum without caveat where he claims opinin as fact

He did not provide any evidence.

He merely stated an opinion.

[Robittybob1]

I have nothing mixed up...evidence for abduction..its there .....Redwood has confirmed it...as for amarals claims...his video is allowed on this forum without caveat where he claims opinin as fact

What I hear him say is "however she left that apartment she's been abducted".   However she left the apartment - that is the full range of ways of getting out of the apartment, walked out back door or front door, dragged out or carried out.

[Erngath]

He did not provide any evidence.

He merely stated an opinion.

That's true.
Amaral has no evidence. Just his opinion

[stephen25000]

That's true.
Amaral has no evidence. Just his opinion

I was referring to Redwood.

Can you remind me when he first visited Portugal in regard to this case  ?

Amaral has his opinions on the case, but it doesn't make him right either.

The nature of Madeleine's disappearance remains undetermined, and opinions are not facts

[Mr Gray]

...im stating facts....redwood said based on the EVIDENCE maddie was abducted...Rowley says Maddie was abducted... I would say there is loads of evidence to rule out the parents and tahts what they have done

[slartibartfast]

We could spend endless hours discussing what we aren't allowed to say.  That might be a way around it.

I am not allowed to tell you that I think Madeleine was Abducted.

Of course you are...

You can't say she was, you can't state as fact what someone else believes or what has led them to make a statement.

[Mr Gray]

Of course you are...

You can't say she was, you can't state as fact what someone else believes or what has led them to make a statement.

Rowley states that Maddie was abducted..you have to accept that...you might not agree ...but hes the expert

[G-Unit]

Rowley states it as a fact that Maddie was abducted..you have to accept that...you might not agree ...but hes the expert

Are the Metropolitan police always right? I think not.

[Brietta]

Are the Metropolitan police always right? I think not.

Even the Pope speaks ex cathedra on very few occasions ... the rest of the time he is as fallible as the rest of us.  So you are probably correct in thinking the Met might not always be right ... but let us be thankful for the occasions when they are.

[misty]

Even the Pope speaks ex cathedra on very few occasions ... the rest of the time he is as fallible as the rest of us.  So you are probably correct in thinking the Met might not always be right ... but let us be thankful for the occasions when they are.

I totally agree - and I believe the Portuguese police are working in tandem with the Met, not against them. Does that make them wrong, too?
 Some people seem to forget that the Met are regarded as the best by forces worldwide. Their officers are trained to a higher standard than the rank & file Bobby and, along with MI5 & MI6, allow us to live a pretty normal life, oblivious to many terrors which may have befallen us were it not for their diligence. Be thankful we are not victims of crime & at the mercy of forces such as those in Haiti, Mexico or Kenya.

[sadie]

So we have Amaral stating opinion as fact, and Rowley stating opinion as fact.

I think all future references to both of them should be Deleted.

Please do not delete future references to both of them because you will leava Amaral at a decided advantage against The Mccanns and against Rowley.

This advantage is because Amarals video is cleverly and carefully manufactured propaganda embellished with several lies ... and such propaganda is frequently believed by the easily manipulated, or people with no knowledge of the case, to be correct.

Rowley, on the other hand has stated that it was an abduction.  Plain talking with no unecessary dishonest embellishments, which I like. 

And having received  a great deal of extra info to Amaral over the past few years, Rowley may have information as to who was responsible for that abduction.   He doesn't have to tell us that. 

Why should he?

[sadie]

Ooops.

He hasn't solved the crime.

In your opinion.

You dont know.  No reason why Rowley or SY should share anything with the general public until the right time

[sadie]

Being allowed to post that there is no evidence of abduction appears to be permitted yet that is also an unproven fact. Very biased.
 As none of us actually know what evidence there is or isn't & discussion about abduction must now be accompanied by a million disclaimers, or the red pen will be produced, what the heck is the point of a discussion forum????

Explicit and in a nut shell as usual, Misty

Two very valid points there.