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Offline jassi

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2017, 12:46:27 PM »
We had a thread on it recently and it is hard to work out but the only person likely to have been aware of a mystery couple next door was Rachael Mampilly as she stayed in apartment 5B all night.

Did she say there was a mystery couple ?  If not, then who did ?
If there is no identified source, then IMO, the existence of the couple is dubious.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 12:52:04 PM »
Did she say there was a mystery couple ?  If not, then who did ?
If there is no identified source, then IMO, the existence of the couple is dubious.
Look if it was written down that she said that, there would be no mystery would there?  But it transpires that Rachael had friends in the media and it might start from there.
Even Kate thought there could be a mystery person who talked to Madeleine on Wednesday night.  There was the stain on Madeleine's pyjamas that Kate couldn't explain.  In other words there were clues.
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Offline jassi

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 12:56:40 PM »
Look if it was written down that she said that, there would be no mystery would there?  But it transpires that Rachael had friends in the media and it might start from there.

Identification would still seem to be a mystery even if there was an identifiable source, which there doesn't seem to be.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 01:00:41 PM »
Identification would still seem to be a mystery even if there was an identifiable source, which there doesn't seem to be.
Have you ever kept a secret?  If you give a clue to someone next thing you'll get questioned about some other aspect of the secret and gradually the whole secret unravels.  I can't say any more than that ATM.
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Offline Innominate

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 10:09:08 AM »
There is a little bit more, in the files, about the conversation at the Tapas table regarding the crying incident.

From the arrival time of FP this conversation would have been at most 1 hour before the alarm was raised.

The seating plan is:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Processopdf10page53Kateinterrogatio.jpg

FP and RO were sitting either side of KMcC. There are comments on this conversation in both rogatory statements.

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FP:

1485
 'Alright. Do you recall on the Tuesday night, I believe, Madeleine crying or somebody from the McCANN's apartment crying''
 
 
 Reply
 'I thought that was Wednesday night. You see, I mean, I only knew about that because on Thursday night Kate had said, erm, as we were chatting at the table 'Oh', you know, 'I wonder', you know, 'what', 'what she cried about' or, you know, she'd asked Madeleine, erm, because I think Madeleine had said something 'Where were you mummy, me and Sean cried' and, you know, 'where were you' and that had obviously worried Kate and she couldn't get anything more out of Madeleine, Madeleine had sort of moved on and, you know, didn't say anything more than that and wouldn't say, you know, whether she'd heard anything or been woken up or whether she had just woken up herself'

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RO, as previously posted:

1578 'Who said they'd been crying sorry''
 Reply 'Kate did, when we sat down at the table on the Thursday night, Kate said that erm, Madeleine and Sean had cried, said they'd been crying, erm and you know wondered where she was, or wondered where you know, Mummy and Daddy were, erm I mean this was kind of after Madeleine disappeared, we talked, she mentioned that when we sat at the table on Thursday and then after Madeleine had disappeared, erm McCANNS said, oh well I wonder whether on the Wednesday, you know somebody had tried to get in perhaps or had got in and they'd seen something, erm you know and I was next door in the apartment but I mean I didnt hear any, well you know, I didnt hear anything, I could well have been asleep, erm you could hear quite a lot through the apartments because Grace, she always wakes up early but because she seemed to have diarrhoea every night, she'd wake up sort of six o'clock most mornings and we'd always have to put her in the, in the shower or in the bath first thing, and Gerry and Kate would always hear that and so you know, most of the comments first thing in the morning would be like, oh so Grace was up early again, she'd be invariably screaming her head off, so'.

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Offline misty

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2017, 01:53:49 PM »
Does anyone know the date on which Mrs Fenn's interview https://youtu.be/KFHbkbBh5BM was recorded, in which she denied ever having spoken to the police or any other journalists?

ferryman

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Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2017, 02:09:28 PM »
Does anyone know the date on which Mrs Fenn's interview https://youtu.be/KFHbkbBh5BM was recorded, in which she denied ever having spoken to the police or any other journalists?

12 September:

Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.

But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481485/Madeleines-mother-quizzed-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz33Kru1x6Z

Offline misty

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2017, 03:06:12 PM »
12 September:

Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.

But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481485/Madeleines-mother-quizzed-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz33Kru1x6Z

There are earlier reports than that, Ferryman.
Taken from Joana Morais

Daily express - Saturday August 18,2007: "A British widow has come forward with new information which could help Portuguese detectives solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, the Daily Express can reveal.
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Daily Mail - 19th August 2007 : Among them will be ex-pat Pamela Fenn, a widow in her 70s. She claims she "scared off" an intruder who had broken into her apartment in the days before the McCanns arrived to stay in the holiday flat directly below her.

Mrs Fenn has told friends she heard a noise as she watched television and found a man escaping through her bedroom window. Her niece, who was staying with her, also saw the man.

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What was Mrs Fenn actually referring to as "being rubbish" - the intruder incident or the crying?
We know that Mrs Fenn's story surfaced online in late July 2007, well before the English police arrived with the cadaver dogs so who was responsible for suppressing her story from the PJ for nearly a month?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2017, 04:30:50 PM »
There are earlier reports than that, Ferryman.
Taken from Joana Morais

Daily express - Saturday August 18,2007: "A British widow has come forward with new information which could help Portuguese detectives solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, the Daily Express can reveal.
           -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Daily Mail - 19th August 2007 : Among them will be ex-pat Pamela Fenn, a widow in her 70s. She claims she "scared off" an intruder who had broken into her apartment in the days before the McCanns arrived to stay in the holiday flat directly below her.

Mrs Fenn has told friends she heard a noise as she watched television and found a man escaping through her bedroom window. Her niece, who was staying with her, also saw the man.

            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


What was Mrs Fenn actually referring to as "being rubbish" - the intruder incident or the crying?
We know that Mrs Fenn's story surfaced online in late July 2007, well before the English police arrived with the cadaver dogs so who was responsible for suppressing her story from the PJ for nearly a month?

Of course we do have her police statement...

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline John

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2017, 08:38:29 PM »
Maybe Mrs Fenn and Madeleine made it all up and nobody cried but then both are now gone and cannot answer for themself.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2017, 08:39:37 PM »
Of course we do have her police statement...

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
So we have a statement dated 20th August 2007 but later in Sept Mrs Fenn on video saying she hasn't spoken to anyone.  It makes you wonder if she is reliable.

In the video who is it she says she hasn't spoken to? 
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2017, 08:44:51 PM »
the media.

"I've never spoken to a journalist. They've written rubbish in the newspapers." Pamela Fenn

Video here
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2007/12/mrs-fenn-british-press-its-all-rubbish.html
Jornal da Noite SIC 22-08-2007
see Mrs. Fenn statement at 01'20'
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2017, 09:29:13 PM »
The hairdresser clip (the Kutting Room) is on here. https://youtu.be/igAhToRRRfE?t=1666.
August 2007 documentary but I don't know when the clip was filmed but clearly the journalists had heard about Mrs Fenn.
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ferryman

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Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2017, 09:35:24 PM »
The hairdresser clip (the Kutting Room) is on here. https://youtu.be/igAhToRRRfE?t=1666.
August 2007 documentary but I don't know when the clip was filmed but clearly the journalists had heard about Mrs Fenn.

Mrs Fenn's PJ interview was 20 August.

Offline misty

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2017, 09:39:44 PM »
Mrs Fenn's PJ interview was 20 August.

Yes.....and she didn't mention Chaplins.