Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[stephen25000]

Cite them, please

I have provided links before.

The irony being, of course, they might be viewed as libel.

Those few supporting the McCann's , of course, are allowed.

[G-Unit]

Hahahah

After they had sent for them?

Think again Gunit.

As I recall it was John Hill who asked the receptionist to phone the police. The receptionist said Gerry was with him, but Hill says the only time he saw Gerry leave the apartment was when he went to reception to speak to the GNR.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

[Robittybob1]

As I recall it was John Hill who asked the receptionist to phone the police. The receptionist said Gerry was with him, but Hill says the only time he saw Gerry leave the apartment was when he went to reception to speak to the GNR.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

Could they both be the same event?  The GNR arrive 5 minutes or so after the the 10:52 call so Gerry may have waited there till they arrive.

[G-Unit]

Could they both be the same event?  The GNR arrive 5 minutes or so after the the 10:42 call so Gerry may have waited there till they arrive.
 

After she arrived she went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.
When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was
Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

[G-Unit]

I have a bog standard mobile which is years old.  I use it maybe 5 times a week.    I never text because it takes me too long.   It only accepts a certain no. of messages and then I have to delete existing messages before I can receive any more.

It could be their mobiles were the same and if they suddenly began receiving lots of calls instead of  the usual few - then they may have needed to delete some before they could receive any more.

On older mobiles you have to delete messages to make room for more. You don't have to delete the call history for any reason.

[sadie]

As I recall it was John Hill who asked the receptionist to phone the police. The receptionist said Gerry was with him, but Hill says the only time he saw Gerry leave the apartment was when he went to reception to speak to the GNR.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

As you must well know from the statements of several people, and mentioned on here many times, Matt had run over there and had tried to get reception to call the police at about 10.10 -10.15.   Presumably reception either ignored his request, or may have been busy booking new guests in, or had to get permission from a senior member of staff before calling Police in.

Totally reasonably, Gerry thought that the Police had been called via Matt.  AT 10.30 Mrs Fenn offered the use of her phone to call the police, which Gerry declined because he thought they were already on their way


2412 to 2415 Witness Statement of Pamela Isobel Fenn 2007.08.20

-snip-   At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30. -snip-

John Hill appeared well after that ... was it about 22.40 ?


I am finding it difficult to understand, why you, Gunit, a clever person, keep forgetting these things.  Such basic things.

[ShiningInLuz]

After she arrived she went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.
When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was
Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Can we actually get a proper time-line of this drawn up?

The mobile of SB dialled GNR Lagos.  Presumably Silvia had not been informed before that that the GNR had arrived at the OC reception.

Who went in the GNR car from OC reception to 5A?  I thought it was SB, John Hill  (whom Silvia would know)  and Gerry.  Presumably, I must be wrong.

[G-Unit]

As you must well know from the statements of several people, and mentioned on here many times, Matt had run over there and had tried to get reception to call the police at about 10.10 -10.15.   Presumably reception either ignored his request, or may have been busy booking new guests in, or had to get permission from a senior member of staff before calling Police in.

Totally reasonably, Gerry thought that the Police had been called via Matt.  AT 10.30 Mrs Fenn offered the use of her phone to call the police, which Gerry declined because he thought they were already on their way


2412 to 2415 Witness Statement of Pamela Isobel Fenn 2007.08.20
John Hill appeared well after that ... was it about 22.40 ?


I am finding it difficult to understand, why you, Gunit, a clever person, keep forgetting these things.  Such basic things.

I don't forget, Sadie. Who are these 'several people'? Who asked Matt to go? Why didn't the receptionist see him on either of his alleged visits? Why did Kate question John Hill at around 10.35;

‘Where are the police?’ I yelled at him.[Madeleine]

I think he went with John Hill just then to call them. The receptionist thought he was Gerry.

Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ [Madeleine]

Kate places the interaction with Mrs Fenn well after John Hill's visit. Who are you going to believe, Sadie?

[stephen25000]

I thought that I had answered this .  Perhaps I got interrupted and failed to send ?



Engath
For Engath to prove just how often you, stephen, attack everything they, meaning The Mccanns, do would take months of collating evidence, as surely you must know and accept

To put it mildly Sadie, that is rich coming from you, and the time you claim you have spent on this case, and,  criticizing and insulting people such as Amaral.

You, Erngath and others, back the McCann's 100%, so any behaviour and comments on other people, has to be judged in reference to that.

[Mr Gray]

To put it mildly Sadie, that is rich coming from you, and the time you claim you have spent on this case, and,  criticizing and insulting people such as Amaral.

You, Erngath and others, back the McCann's 100%, so any behaviour and comments on other people, has to be judged in reference to that.

Just to make it clear I back the mccanns because based on the evidence I believe they are not involved. if any new evidence comes along i would be happy to reconsider

[sadie]

I don't forget, Sadie. Who are these 'several people'? Who asked Matt to go? Why didn't the receptionist see him on either of his alleged visits? Why did Kate question John Hill at around 10.35;

‘Where are the police?’ I yelled at him.[Madeleine]

I think he went with John Hill just then to call them. The receptionist thought he was Gerry.

Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ [Madeleine]

Kate places the interaction with Mrs Fenn well after John Hill's visit. Who are you going to believe, Sadie?

Several people knew that Matt had gone to reception to ask them to call the police.   That he had gone would be passed around like wildfire within the group .... some positive news at last !   The police were on their way !!! &%&£(+   Little did they know.

From considerable experience of signing in to hotel receptions, I have noticed that dealing with new guests appears to be number one priority.  Everyone else is ignored.   It is probably hotel policy that they be dealt with first.


I seem to remember that one of the statements was from an employee who was doing the airport run that evening, so there could have been a bunch of new arrivals.   Please correct me if I am wrong on that one.   Checking in time is a very pressurized time for receptionists, especially if several groups arrive together.



As for Mrs Fenn.  She spoke to Gerry not Kate.  Why should Kate remember the time?   I prefer Mrs fenns timing to that of someone who wasn't part of the conversation.

[sadie]

To put it mildly Sadie, that is rich coming from you, and the time you claim you have spent on this case, and,  criticizing and insulting people such as Amaral.

You, Erngath and others, back the McCann's 100%, so any behaviour and comments on other people, has to be judged in reference to that.

Aw come on, stephen, don't be coy.

You must know just how often you criticize The Mccanns.   Almost every post ... and with no valid reason.  Would take months for Engath to collate them and post.  Then would almost half fill the forum ... you are a very prolific poster

[stephen25000]

Aw come on, stephen, don't be coy.

You must know just how often you criticize The Mccanns.   Almost every post ... and with no valid reason.  Would take months for Engath to collate them and post.  Then would almost half fill the forum ... you are a very prolific poster

As regards valid reasons or otherwise, that is a matter of opinion.

Are you really implying that one person can have a dramatic impact on other peoples opinions  ?

So Sadie, how much time have you spent commenting on this case ?

[Benice]

On older mobiles you have to delete messages to make room for more. You don't have to delete the call history for any reason.

Thanks for that G - but would the McCanns necessarily have known that?     I didn't.   In fact when I discovered (by receipt of a message) that there was in fact a 'memory' limit on my mobile  - it did not occur to me that this only applied to text messages.

[G-Unit]

Several people knew that Matt had gone to reception to ask them to call the police.   That he had gone would be passed around like wildfire within the group .... some positive news at last !   The police were on their way !!! &%&£(+   Little did they know.

From considerable experience of signing in to hotel receptions, I have noticed that dealing with new guests appears to be number one priority.  Everyone else is ignored.   It is probably hotel policy that they be dealt with first.


I seem to remember that one of the statements was from an employee who was doing the airport run that evening, so there could have been a bunch of new arrivals.   Please correct me if I am wrong on that one.   Checking in time is a very pressurized time for receptionists, especially if several groups arrive together.



As for Mrs Fenn.  She spoke to Gerry not Kate.  Why should Kate remember the time?   I prefer Mrs fenns timing to that of someone who wasn't part of the conversation.

Kate McCann 4th May; employees contacted the authorities

The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Russell O'Brien 4th May;

He does not know who called the police.

Rachael 4th May

After this they began to search and called the police.

Fiona Payne Rogatory

 'And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine. Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'. Erm, and I, I don't know what Matt, erm, I don't know what Dave and Russell did at that point.

According to Fiona (a year after the event) there were a group there but none of them reported on 4th May that police were called by Matthew.