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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2017, 02:09:02 AM »
Chapter 26, not called a chapter but at the end, is a section called "Conclusions".   Page 208 Danny Collins reports that "a canine patrol tracked Madeleine's scent to an area 400 metres from her parents apartment".

I was thinking if the Smithman sighting had any role to play can you get around to where Smithman was seen from the furthermost place that the tracker dogs tracked Madeleine.  First of all we need to know where this 400 metres spot is in relation to the layout of the roads in PdL.
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Offline misty

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2017, 02:09:36 AM »
OK so it has been mentioned.
Is post#35 invisible or what?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2017, 02:15:07 AM »
Possibly someone from this group, Rob. They did operate back in 2007.
http://guardasnocturnos.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/night-guard-guarda-nocturno.html
I looked at it Misty but I wasn't sure what you meant by it.  Are you suggesting OC employed private contractors to do the guard duty?  I don't know.  The Danny Collins' book is the only one suggesting there was a guard on duty that I have seen.
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2017, 02:21:12 AM »
One statistic that has struck home to me from his book is on page 224 in the "Afterword" section:  "According to UN children's fund UNICEF, 1.2 million children are trafficked around the world every year."

1,200,000 and Madeleine was just 1 of that number.
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2017, 02:30:42 AM »
OK so there were 14 places where he was wrong IMO. based on the file.
There has also been 12 points raised where I have questioned his writing.
There were at least 8 places where he raised a point where I agree with his findings or conclusions.
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Offline misty

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2017, 02:34:15 AM »
I looked at it Misty but I wasn't sure what you meant by it.  Are you suggesting OC employed private contractors to do the guard duty?  I don't know.  The Danny Collins' book is the only one suggesting there was a guard on duty that I have seen.
No, I'm suggesting that the night guard who covered Luz & worked alongside the regular police possibly started work at midnight that night and may have arrived at the scene offering his assistance. That's all. If he was on duty, IMO he would have done so after seeing many people on the streets.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2017, 08:00:30 AM »
OK so it has been mentioned.

There was a position described as 'Security Guard' but the woman employed didn't actually guard anything. Interestingly she mentions using the creche. I wonder how many other employees did that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PIEDADE_MENDES.htm
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« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2017, 11:30:56 AM »
There was a position described as 'Security Guard' but the woman employed didn't actually guard anything. Interestingly she mentions using the creche. I wonder how many other employees did that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PIEDADE_MENDES.htm

Have you ever seen anything about childcare for the over 5's in Luz? Mark Warner at Levante currently offer it.
https://www.markwarner.co.uk/sun-holidays/greece/levante-beach/childcare

Offline G-Unit

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2017, 03:39:15 PM »
Have you ever seen anything about childcare for the over 5's in Luz? Mark Warner at Levante currently offer it.
https://www.markwarner.co.uk/sun-holidays/greece/levante-beach/childcare

I assume the employee's child was young as she mentions 'creche'. The highest age group that week seemed to be 'Juniors Club'; aged up to ten and supervised by Kirsty Maryan.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIRSTY-MARYAN.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2017, 06:28:13 PM »
There was a position described as 'Security Guard' but the woman employed didn't actually guard anything. Interestingly she mentions using the creche. I wonder how many other employees did that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PIEDADE_MENDES.htm
A security guard that is employed as a general go for.  Her hours would not cover the time period that we are needing.  Were the general public just allowed to come and go through the secondary reception gates.  In the Dispatches documentary the secondary reception was manned and non guests were not allowed through.  But that was filmed in the day time.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2017, 11:32:41 PM »
OK so there were 14 places where he was wrong IMO. based on the file.
There has also been 12 points raised where I have questioned his writing.
There were at least 8 places where he raised a point where I agree with his findings or conclusions.
Things I agree with Danny Collins: 
1. "... incidentally the probability that Madeleine left the apartment of her own volition was the first and most logical thought of the GNR officers arriving at the scene."   Page 9.

2.  "What is clear is that total confusion reigned an and around apartment 5A that night.  Just who called the police to report the child missing in that atmosphere of panic has never been satisfactorily resolved." Page 10

3. Around that time public hope also focused on the possibility that the three year old might have been taken by a mother who had recently lost her own child ...." Page 45.

4. "Nor do the UK police discount the possibility of Madeleine leaving the apartment and being carried off in the street."   Page 85.

5.  "....general tenet of forensics is that a corpse must lie for at least two hours before removal to leave enough residues to alert a trained [cadaver ] dog." Page 90.

6. "He [Gerry] is too in control of their actions, her [Kate] emotions too controlled ...."  Page 223.


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Offline sadie

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2017, 11:48:20 PM »
Things I agree with Danny Collins: 
1. "... incidentally the probability that Madeleine left the apartment of her own volition was the first and most logical thought of the GNR officers arriving at the scene."   Page 9.

2.  "What is clear is that total confusion reigned an and around apartment 5A that night.  Just who called the police to report the child missing in that atmosphere of panic has never been satisfactorily resolved." Page 10

3. Around that time public hope also focused on the possibility that the three year old might have been taken by a mother who had recently lost her own child ...." Page 45.

4. "Nor do the UK police discount the possibility of Madeleine leaving the apartment and being carried off in the street."   Page 85.

5.  "....general tenet of forensics is that a corpse must lie for at least two hours before removal to leave enough residues to alert a trained [cadaver ] dog." Page 90.

6. "He [Gerry] is too in control of their actions, her [Kate] emotions too controlled ...."  Page 223.

I am tired so I will just tackle number 6.

It was known that the police warned Kate and Gerry not to show emotion cos this would give the perp a "kick".

How very brave both Kate and Gerry were facing all those cameras.  At the time Kate was frightened of the media, but she steeled herself to face them and do everything she could to find Madeleine.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2017, 11:56:16 PM »
I am tired so I will just tackle number 6.

It was known that the police warned Kate and Gerry not to show emotion cos this would give the perp a "kick".

How very brave both Kate and Gerry were facing all those cameras.  At the time Kate was frightened of the media, but she steeled herself to face them and do everything she could to find Madeleine.
We can see why Kate behaves as she does but what about the controlling nature of Gerry? 
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Offline sadie

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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2017, 12:06:35 AM »
We can see why Kate behaves as she does but what about the controlling nature of Gerry?
Gerry is a leader.  He is an organiser and has a strong grip on things.  He is a hard worker, thinks ahead and tries to work the best way thru. 
He has been very angry about some of the unjust criticisms and lies heaped upon them and so would I have been .  He controls himself as well as he is able, because he knows that to lose his temper would also affect the support he gets from a large number of people.  Kate and Gerrys priority, without doubt, is to get Madeleine home.

Gerry is Kates rock.  There can be no doubt about that

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2017, 05:17:13 AM »
Gerry is a leader.  He is an organiser and has a strong grip on things.  He is a hard worker, thinks ahead and tries to work the best way thru. 
He has been very angry about some of the unjust criticisms and lies heaped upon them and so would I have been .  He controls himself as well as he is able, because he knows that to lose his temper would also affect the support he gets from a large number of people.  Kate and Gerrys priority, without doubt, is to get Madeleine home.

Gerry is Kates rock.  There can be no doubt about that
Well that is how you see it.  Thanks.
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