Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[pathfinder73]

Took me and Google appx. 30 seconds to come up with ...

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In a separate interview, Kate explained why she had appeared cold in televised appeals at the time of her daughter's disappearance. 'Behavioural experts advised me not to show emotion in case the abductor got a kick from it,' she said. 'It's only recently, with the anniversary, that they've started showing footage from the early days. I don't recognise the person they asked me to be at that time, but to all the people out there who criticised me I say, would they want to swap places, really?'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/may/04/madeleinemccann.ukcrime

Certainly well worth trying a search engine when in doubt sometimes.  If it can't be found ... that is when a cite may be required.  In My Opinion.

Her behaviour also seemed strange to the first GNR officers on the scene.

"He found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying. He did not feel that this was an abduction, although this was the line indicated by the father." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm "He has been a GNR officer since 1986, he currently works at the Lagos GNR post."

[slartibartfast]

Took me and Google appx. 30 seconds to come up with ...

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In a separate interview, Kate explained why she had appeared cold in televised appeals at the time of her daughter's disappearance. 'Behavioural experts advised me not to show emotion in case the abductor got a kick from it,' she said. 'It's only recently, with the anniversary, that they've started showing footage from the early days. I don't recognise the person they asked me to be at that time, but to all the people out there who criticised me I say, would they want to swap places, really?'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/may/04/madeleinemccann.ukcrime

Certainly well worth trying a search engine when in doubt sometimes.  If it can't be found ... that is when a cite may be required.  In My Opinion.

So, as I found, it is not known. It is known that McCanns said they were advised.

[Robittybob1]

If they existed.

I don't believe they, singular or plural, did.

What has 10 plus years of worldwide publicity achieved in finding this person(s) whose existence has not been proven ?

10 years is not that long.  It has kept the name out there, look we are still discussing the case 10 years on. 

[stephen25000]

10 years is not that long.  It has kept the name out there, look we are still discussing the case 10 years on.

Can you name me a case of a missing child with the level of publicity surrounding it and with several investigations which have come up with nothing ?

[Angelo222]

Can you name me a case of a missing child with the level of publicity surrounding it and with several investigations which have come up with nothing ?

Anyone coming across this case for the very first time must be astounded at the lack of participation in it by loving parents who boasted no stone unturned at the outset.  They are perfect happy to sit back and let SY take the criticism which comes with a failed investigation.

[G-Unit]

I know it as I am sure you do too ... if you pretend to know anything at all about Madeleine McCann's case. 

If a cite is truly required to substantiate a statement or phrase in a conversation, fair enough.  However there are some things which are "common knowledge" which can surely be sensibly allowed to enable the discussion to flow.

For example if I say in a sentence: " ... perhaps the man Jane saw carrying a child ..." do I really need to add http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

If so that's fine by me ... but it is certainly going to have to be implemented across the board by members ... and monitored or controlled (whichever takes your fancy) consistently and with fairness ... by forum monitors.

I have two problems with this 'fact' as accepted by McCann supporters. Firstly, there is no independent evidence that the McCanns were advised to show no emotion. Secondly, most relatives of missing people would find such advice impossible to follow in my opinion.

I would soon be advised by British police experts to try to stay as calm as possible and not to show any emotion in public
Madeleine

 'Behavioural experts advised me not to show emotion in case the abductor got a kick from it,'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/may/04/madeleinemccann.ukcrime

Ah yes, the 'Cracker' team  Dr Joe Sullivan and Detective Chief Superintendent Graham Hill. He gives other reasons for the McCann's lack of emotion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gOOkyaPAU

Despite being there within days, he seems to have a lack of knowledge of the basics of the case. He says they went on holiday with 16 friends, he says they left the apartment locked....I do agree when he says that statistically it's unlikely that Madeleine is alive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JMlJqx1-4s&app=desktop

If the police gave similar advice to others it had no effect whatsoever;

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=april+jones+appeal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJcnM4S3OzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YITVWIfsI08

[Brietta]

Her behaviour also seemed strange to the first GNR officers on the scene.

"He found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying. He did not feel that this was an abduction, although this was the line indicated by the father." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm "He has been a GNR officer since 1986, he currently works at the Lagos GNR post."

Wow! can you think of any reason why the parents of a missing child might be "nervous and anxious" ??

[G-Unit]

Wow! can you think of any reason why the parents of a missing child might be "nervous and anxious" ??

Can you think of any reason why they made crying noises but produced no actual tears?

[Angelo222]

Can you think of any reason why they made crying noises but produced no actual tears?

Reminds me of Jeremy Bamber at his parents funeral.

[Brietta]

I have two problems with this 'fact' as accepted by McCann supporters. Firstly, there is no independent evidence that the McCanns were advised to show no emotion. Secondly, most relatives of missing people would find such advice impossible to follow in my opinion.

I would soon be advised by British police experts to try to stay as calm as possible and not to show any emotion in public
Madeleine

 'Behavioural experts advised me not to show emotion in case the abductor got a kick from it,'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/may/04/madeleinemccann.ukcrime

Ah yes, the 'Cracker' team  Dr Joe Sullivan and Detective Chief Superintendent Graham Hill. He gives other reasons for the McCann's lack of emotion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gOOkyaPAU

Despite being there within days, he seems to have a lack of knowledge of the basics of the case. He says they went on holiday with 16 friends, he says they left the apartment locked....I do agree when he says that statistically it's unlikely that Madeleine is alive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JMlJqx1-4s&app=desktop

If the police gave similar advice to others it had no effect whatsoever;

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=april+jones+appeal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJcnM4S3OzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YITVWIfsI08

Everyone is an individual and how they perform in front of a camera is individual to them ... nor no matter how upset innocent victims are there are those who see fit to disbelieve them and who take to the internet to abuse them.

Alice Gross's parents being an example of that.

Then there are people like the Philpots ...'nuff said.
https://www.channel4.com/news/crocodile-tears-and-catching-killers-philpott-hazell-ahmeds

Why should the parents of a missing child feel they have to explain anything at all to people who disbelieve as a matter of principal every word they say?
I have of course watched the initial McCann appeal and in my opinion they need explain nothing to nobody who has eyes to see and ears to hear.  Your opinion may well be different, but that is for you.

[Brietta]

Can you think of any reason why they made crying noises but produced no actual tears?

Sometimes when I think the bottom of the barrel has been scraped ... I discover I was wrong.

[Eleanor]

If they existed.

I don't believe they, singular or plural, did.

What has 10 plus years of worldwide publicity achieved in finding this person(s) whose existence has not been proven ?

They aren't going to be giving themselves up, are they.

[Eleanor]

So, as I found, it is not known. It is known that McCanns said they were advised.

It is an accepted fact that some perpetrators do get a kick out of causing misery.  But you wouldn't know anything about that.

Although I must say that you are one of the very few Sceptic Posters who is never very unpleasant.  Kudos to you.

[Eleanor]

Can you name me a case of a missing child with the level of publicity surrounding it and with several investigations which have come up with nothing ?

Come on, Stephen, you must know that there are several.

[Eleanor]

Can you think of any reason why they made crying noises but produced no actual tears?

You know this to be true, do you?