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Offline sadie

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #105 on: August 09, 2017, 12:42:12 PM »
It all began with post 36;

It was known that the police warned Kate and Gerry not to show emotion cos this would give the perp a "kick".

This gives the impression that it's common knowledge that the police did give this advice. It turns out, however, that there is no evidence which supports Kate's claim. I have found nothing to suggest that the police do or did give such advice. I have found nothing to suggest that the CEOP people gave such advice. It seems that a statement by a suspect in a case has been accepted as truthful despite there being nothing to support it except the word of the suspect.

SY dont see Kate as a suspect.  Why do you?

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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #106 on: August 09, 2017, 03:04:51 PM »
SY dont see Kate as a suspect.  Why do you?

SY don't see her as a suspect, but their explanation as to why doesn't convince me.
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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #107 on: August 09, 2017, 05:55:19 PM »
SY don't see her as a suspect, but their explanation as to why doesn't convince me.
There is nothing forensic or time wise or dog wise to point to them.  Nada zilch.  No pionters what so ever to guilt

Just what do you need to convince you of their non involvement ?

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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #108 on: August 09, 2017, 05:59:32 PM »
There is nothing forensic or time wise or dog wise to point to them.  Nada zilch.  No pionters what so ever to guilt

Just what do you need to convince you of their non involvement ?

Easy.





No evidence of abduction.

No forensic trace of a third party in the apartment.

No trace of an abductor/burglar or kidnapper.

Have you forgotten all that ?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #109 on: August 09, 2017, 06:14:10 PM »



No evidence of abduction.

No forensic trace of a third party in the apartment.

No trace of an abductor/burglar or kidnapper.

Have you forgotten all that ?
You would get all that if the child wandered.  Then there is no evidence in the apartment for whatever happened, happened outside.
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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #110 on: August 09, 2017, 06:18:41 PM »
You would get all that if the child wandered.  Then there is no evidence in the apartment for whatever happened, happened outside.

There is in reality, b....r all evidence of anything.

Offline Brietta

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #111 on: August 09, 2017, 06:31:00 PM »



No evidence of abduction.

No forensic trace of a third party in the apartment.

No trace of an abductor/burglar or kidnapper.

Have you forgotten all that ?

No evidence of abduction.? Raised shutters and open window ~ a man carrying a child seconds away from the apartment ~ at least two sightings of a child resembling Madeleine in the wee small hours.

No forensic trace of a third party in the apartment. ? unidentified forensic traces recovered from the apartment.

No trace of an abductor/burglar or kidnapper. ? No burglars operating in the resort?? ... I think not ... at least two flats that we know of had been invaded in block 5.

Remember if the early investigation had taken a different path from that epitomised by the headline in the 'Diario de Noticias' ... 'A Badly Told Tale', the outcome for Madeleine might have been more a more positive one.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #112 on: August 09, 2017, 06:57:49 PM »



No evidence of abduction.

No forensic trace of a third party in the apartment.

No trace of an abductor/burglar or kidnapper.

Have you forgotten all that ?

All the below is fact or, as clearly indicated in a couple of places, my thoughts

1)  No evidence of the parents involvement, and they had no time for such nor knowledge of anywhere in PT to hide a body.  No locals to help them.  No car.    Additionally, at the time Madeleine obviously vanished, neither parent showed any behaviour that indicated that anything was amiss.  Dont think either is psychopathic, do you?

2)  No forensic or other trace of anything untoward happening to Madeleine via the family or friends in the apartment.  However evidence of an opened shutter and window, which can have been done via the outside as Heri and Petermac clearly showed us.   

3) 
a)  Except for the several parts that the PJ failed to check, there were no chances for forensic traces by a careful abductor via the front door (see b).   Walk in and out using a spare key to open and close that door.  Finger prints only on the key, which pulled the door to, as well as opening it.
 
b)  The police failed to ensure that any evidence, that might have been, was ruined because they never sealed the apartment off.
   
c)  There was a history of recent burglaries in that very block + recent cases where a man /paedo entered apartments and assaulted children as their parents slept in adjoining rooms.

d)  Then the history of abductions in the Algarve.
John might ignore the possible abduction of pretty fair haired Joana Cipriano, but I dont and i doubt SY do either.  Just 7 miles away and less than three years before.  The case against Leonor and Joao was totally unsafe and one of the three Judges refused to find with the other Judges.  The case was won on a basis of 2:1 + the often outragious thoughts of Amaral and Cristovao. 
It could have so easily gone the other way.  Just one vote in it !

e) The aborted abduction of pretty little blond Carolina Santos, aged 3 and 25 miles away.  This was a little over 4 months before Madeleine vanished.

f)  Rene Hassee a pretty little blond boy, aged 6, who vanished at Amoreiras Beach Aljezur on the west coast of The Algarve.

All these children vanished within 25 miles of PdL.  All very pretty, fair haired and aged between 3 and 7.


Repeating History should not be ignored stephen.   


So: 
I.  Break ins, via the front door using a key.

II.  Children assaulted with parents sleeping in next room

III.  Pretty fair haired children between the ages of 3 and 7 vanishing within a radius of 25 miles of PdL

IV.  Oh and I, of course, believe that i have numerous other pointers that show there was an abduction, but sorry I cant share them.  They are with SY

V.  And then we have Briettas reminder that a man was seen carrying a little girl away + unidentified forensic traces recovered from the apartment.


Suggest you rethink, stephen.


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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #113 on: August 09, 2017, 07:05:31 PM »
1)  No evidence of the parents involvement, and they had no time for such nor knowledge of anywhere in PT to hide a body.  No locals to help them.  No car.    Additionally, at the time Madeleine obviously vanished, neither parent showed any behaviour that indicated that anything was amiss.  Dont think either is psychopathic, do you?

2)  No forensic or other trace of anything untoward happening to Madeleine via the family or friends in the apartment.  However evidence of an opened shutter and window, which can have been done via the outside as Heri and Petermac clearly showed us.   

3) 
a)  Except for the several parts that the PJ failed to check, there were no chances for forensic traces by a careful abductor via the front door (see b).   Walk in and out using a spare key to open and close that door.  Finger prints only on the key, which pulled the door to, as well as opening it.
 
b)  The police failed to ensure that any evidence, that might have been, was ruined because they never sealed the apartment off.
   
c)  There was a history of recent burglaries in that very block + recent cases where a man /paedo entered apartments and assaulted children as their parents slept in adjoining rooms.

d)  Then the history of abductions in the Algarve.
John might ignore the possible abduction of pretty fair haired Joana Cipriano, but I dont and i doubt SY do either.  Just 7 miles away and less than three years before.  The case against Leonor and Joao was totally unsafe and one of the three Judges refused to find with the other Judges.  The case was won on a basis of 2:1 + the often outragious thoughts of Amaral and Cristovao. 
It could have so easily gone the other way.  Just one vote in it !

e) The aborted abduction of pretty little blond Carolina Santos, aged 3 and 25 miles away.  This was a little over 4 months before Madeleine vanished.

f)  Rene Hassee a pretty little blond boy, aged 6, who vanished at Amoreiras Beach Aljezur on the west coast of The Algarve.

All these children vanished within 25 miles of PdL.  All very pretty, fair haired and aged between 3 and 7.


Repeating History should not be ignored stephen.   


So: 
I.  Break ins, via the front door using a key.

II.  Children assaulted with parents sleeping in next room

III.  Pretty fair haired children between the ages of 3 and 7 vanishing within a radius of 25 miles of PdL

IV.  Oh and I, of course, believe that i have numerous other pointers that show there was an abduction, but sorry I cant share them.  They are with SY

V.  And then we have Briettas reminder that a man was seen carrying a little girl away + unidentified forensic traces recovered from the apartment.


Suggest you rethink, stephen.

No need to rethink Sadie.

You pick and choose, to suit your pointers.

There is no forensic evidence of a third party in the apartment.

No corroboration of the shutter or window being open before 10 pm.

Basically, b....r all.

Like I said, if you have 'evidence, you take it to the authorities.

If all you have is your biased pointers, well I know how the police would view those.

Offline sadie

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #114 on: August 09, 2017, 07:14:52 PM »
No need to rethink Sadie.

You pick and choose, to suit your pointers.

There is no forensic evidence of a third party in the apartment.

No corroboration of the shutter or window being open before 10 pm.

Basically, b....r all.

Like I said, if you have 'evidence, you take it to the authorities.

If all you have is your biased pointers, well I know how the police would view those.

Hahahah

So you have already dismissed the unidentified forensic traces recovered from the apartment ?


As for my pointers, nothing is biased.   All are facts.


Oh and Matt thought that the room was lighter than it should have been .... light coming in via the window space .   How do you reconcile that?


Maybe the abduction had already happened?


sorry, stephen but you have scored 0/10.  One hundred lines by tomorrow if you please  8(0(*  8**8:/:

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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #115 on: August 09, 2017, 07:43:47 PM »
Hahahah

So you have already dismissed the unidentified forensic traces recovered from the apartment ?


As for my pointers, nothing is biased.   All are facts.


Oh and Matt thought that the room was lighter than it should have been .... light coming in via the window space .   How do you reconcile that?


Maybe the abduction had already happened?


sorry, stephen but you have scored 0/10.  One hundred lines by tomorrow if you please  8(0(*  8**8:/:

You are living a fantasy Sadie.

...and that is a problem you will have to deal with.

There is no proof those other 'forensic traces' were left that night.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #116 on: August 09, 2017, 08:09:46 PM »
There is nothing forensic or time wise or dog wise to point to them.  Nada zilch.  No pionters what so ever to guilt

Just what do you need to convince you of their non involvement ?

I don't know if they were involved or not, but they have failed to convince me of their non-involvement. There is a distinct lack of evidence to show what did happen in PdL. I will be convinced when the case is solved and someone else is charged and convicted with Madeleine's disappearance. Until then my position will remain the same.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #117 on: August 09, 2017, 08:46:40 PM »
I don't know if they were involved or not, but they have failed to convince me of their non-involvement. There is a distinct lack of evidence to show what did happen in PdL. I will be convinced when the case is solved and someone else is charged and convicted with Madeleine's disappearance. Until then my position will remain the same.
Danny Collins raised the point that Madeleine woke and wandered and was later abducted from the outside position.   We don't expect forensic evidence to be found on the inside of the apartment in that scenario.  Who was around on the outside?  Burglars, clients, paedophiles???
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Offline sadie

Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #118 on: August 09, 2017, 09:05:54 PM »
You are living a fantasy Sadie.

...and that is a problem you will have to deal with.

There is no proof those other 'forensic traces' were left that night.

When did I specify that night?   There were finger prints and hairs that could not be attached to anyone known tho' IIRC.  These may well have have been from that night, we just dont know cos it seems they were not persued.


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Re: Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...
« Reply #119 on: August 09, 2017, 09:17:54 PM »
When did I specify that night?   There were finger prints and hairs that could not be attached to anyone known tho' IIRC.  These may well have have been from that night, we just dont know cos it seems they were not persued.

Tell me Sadie, how would you prove the hairs and partial fingerprints were made that night ?

You are clutching at straws.