Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[stephen25000]

You still haven't proved your claim that he had been offered the job but had turned it down.    Until you can then imo you should edit your post to show that it is only your opinion and not the fact you claim it to be.    Posting opinion as fact is against the rules.

What is evident Brietta, is that no forensic trace of any third party has been found on the 3 rd May 2007, and there is no getting away from that.

[Brietta]

What is evident Brietta, is that no forensic trace of any third party has been found on the 3 rd May 2007, and there is no getting away from that.

You are wrong.

Vital evidence was lost through contamination.

Unidentified traces from the apartment lie with the Portuguese forensic services awaiting a match.

[stephen25000]

You are wrong.

Vital evidence was lost through contamination.

Unidentified traces from the apartment lie with the Portuguese forensic services awaiting a match.

No proof those traces were from the 3 rd May 2007.

Try again.

As to contamination of the apartment, I blame the Mccanns and their associates, before the police had a chance to arrive.

[Benice]

So Brietta, do you think the prostrating behaviour exhibited by the McCann's was normal ?

What they should have been doing is searching for their daughter.

It is perfectly normal for people to collapse to their knees when overcome with anxiety, shock and fear.     What is not normal is the bizarre description of Gerry's terrible anguish by Silvia (?) as that of a praying arab.      It is even more abnormal IMO for anyone to actually want to use that description as a stick to beat the McCanns with.    However IMO it says far more about them than it does about Kate and Gerry   The words 'spiteful and cruel' hardly seem enough.

The portrayal of the McCanns in that video kneeling in the bedroom is almost as unbelievable as the portrayal of  JT practically having to turn sideways to squeeze past Gerry and Jes when she passed them in the road.    To exaggerate to such ridiculous lengths is a sign of desperation IMO.   It would be risible if it were not so pathetic.

The whole video is an insult to normal people's intelligence.

AIMHO

[barrier]

You are wrong.

Vital evidence was lost through contamination.

Unidentified traces from the apartment lie with the Portuguese forensic services awaiting a match.

That assumes there was evidence to be lost in the first place.

[stephen25000]

It is perfectly normal for people to collapse to their knees when overcome with anxiety, shock and fear.     What is not normal is the bizarre description of Gerry's terrible anguish by Silvia (?) as that of a praying arab.      It is even more abnormal IMO for anyone to actually want to use that description as a stick to beat the McCanns with.    However IMO it says far more about them than it does about Kate and Gerry   The words 'spiteful and cruel' hardly seem enough.

The portrayal of the McCanns in that video kneeling in the bedroom is almost as unbelievable as the portrayal of  JT practically having to turn sideways to squeeze past Gerry and Jes when she passed them in the road.    To exaggerate to such ridiculous lengths is a sign of desperation IMO.   It would be risible if it were not so pathetic.

The whole video is an insult to normal people's intelligence.

AIMHO

So how many people have you seen prostrate themselves in the manner of the Mccanns ?

Perhaps you can provide a cite or two.

It isn't a wonder that the local police thought their behaviour strange, when instead they should have been looking for their daughter instead.

Now that would be a natural reaction to a missing and loved child.

[Benice]

So how many people have you seen prostrate themselves in the manner of the Mccanns ?

Perhaps you can provide a cite or two.

It isn't a wonder that the local police thought their behaviour strange, when instead they should have been looking for their daughter instead.

Now that would be a natural reaction to a missing and loved child.

I'm sure you know very well Stephen that people can and do collapse to the floor in despair in times of great stress.   If that never happened the phrase 'buckling at the knees' would not exist.

At the time it happened to Gerry the police had just arrived.    Are you saying they should have ignored the police and gone off searching instead of talking to them?   Surely not.

I notice your criticism about searching does not extend to April Jones family or Sandy Davidsons mother - neither of whom searched for their children once the police had arrived.   In fact Mrs Davidson didn't search at all because she was too frightened of what she might find.   You must be absolutely appalled at her behaviour.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

I'm sure you know very well Stephen that people can and do collapse to the floor in despair in times of great stress.   If that never happened the phrase 'buckling at the knees' would not exist.

At the time it happened to Gerry the police had just arrived.    Are you saying they should have ignored the police and gone off searching instead of talking to them?   Surely not.

I notice your criticism about searching does not extend to April Jones family or Sandy Davidsons mother - neither of whom searched for their children once the police had arrived.   In fact Mrs Davidson didn't search at all because she was too frightened of what she might find.   You must be absolutely appalled at her behaviour.

AIMHO

Did they prostrate themselves like the McCann's ?

To me, searching would be imperative.

Likewise, did these people do the same as the McCann's in the aftermath of their children's disappearance

..and we know what the McCann's did. That has been documented and well reported.

[Brietta]

That assumes there was evidence to be lost in the first place.

Incompetence assured we will never know.

[Brietta]

Did they prostrate themselves like the McCann's ?

To me, searching would be imperative.

Likewise, did these people do the same as the McCann's in the aftermath of their children's disappearance

..and we know what the McCann's did. That has been documented and well reported.

We do not know for the simple reason their privacy was respected.

Many people were searching.  It is normal for police to wish to speak to the parents.

These people did not have to finance the search for their child ... the police were doing that.

The McCanns made the biggest mistake of their lives in Luz.  They have to live with it forever.  The point you might consider is the damage done to Madeleine and her siblings by the ten year unabated campaign of opprobrium mounted against her parents.

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm sure you know very well Stephen that people can and do collapse to the floor in despair in times of great stress.   If that never happened the phrase 'buckling at the knees' would not exist.

At the time it happened to Gerry the police had just arrived.    Are you saying they should have ignored the police and gone off searching instead of talking to them?   Surely not.

I notice your criticism about searching does not extend to April Jones family or Sandy Davidsons mother - neither of whom searched for their children once the police had arrived.   In fact Mrs Davidson didn't search at all because she was too frightened of what she might find.   You must be absolutely appalled at her behaviour.

AIMHO

The police had just arrived where when Gerry prostrated himself?

AFAIK, the police met with Gerry (and others) at OC 24hr reception and there was a discussion, which appears to have lasted some minutes, before Gerry and others were transported to apt. 5A by the GNR.

Was Gerry prostrating himself at the initial meeting with the GNR in OC 24hr reception?

[stephen25000]

We do not know for the simple reason their privacy was respected.

Many people were searching.  It is normal for police to wish to speak to the parents.

These people did not have to finance the search for their child ... the police were doing that.

The McCanns made the biggest mistake of their lives in Luz.  They have to live with it forever.  The point you might consider is the damage done to Madeleine and her siblings by the ten year unabated campaign of opprobrium mounted against her parents.

Madeleine's parents are instigated the damage inflicted on their children.

No one else has been brought to account.

[Brietta]

Madeleine's parents are instigated the damage inflicted on their children.

No one else has been brought to account.

The sins of the fathers ... ??  Very prosaic.

[stephen25000]

The sins of the fathers ... ??  Very prosaic.

Hardly.

Merely accurate.

[Erngath]

So how many people have you seen prostrate themselves in the manner of the Mccanns ?

Perhaps you can provide a cite or two.

It isn't a wonder that the local police thought their behaviour strange, when instead they should have been looking for their daughter instead.

Now that would be a natural reaction to a missing and loved child.

You obviously consider their reaction unnatural.
Do you believe that this unnatural reaction can be explained?