Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[Erngath]

You are kidding, aren't you.

No.

[Erngath]

I think it is a fair question.

Thank you.

[Erngath]

One explanation of behaviour that is unnatural from a UK point of view is that it is not genuine, other explanations would revolve around psychological issues or cultural differences. There may be other reasons.

I don't find their behaviour unnatural.

[Erngath]

It's perfectly 'genuine' when associated with extreme shock and anguish - and is in the same category as being 'rooted to the spot' with fear unable to move -  or going dizzy and fainting when confronted with shocking news or a shocking sight.  Or even being unable to speak because your throat has constricted with fear.

People's legs do give way and they do fall to their knees when they become overwhelmed by an horrific situation.     Why anyone would question that is a mystery to me.

AIMHO

Indeed

[Erngath]

Never heard of shock?  Never heard of uncontrollable bodily reaction?

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Researchers say they have identified how emotional trauma - from winning the lottery to losing a close relative - can trigger a potentially lethal catastrophe in the body they call the 'broken heart syndrome'.

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They say the news or event (of a traumatic event) causes the body to produce large amounts of stress hormones including adrenaline, which narrows the main arteries which supply blood to the heart.
This paralyses the heart's main pumping chamber, causing a sudden change in rhythm similar to a heart attack.

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Dr Christoph Nienaber, director of cardiology at the university, said: 'These patients suffer under a heavy emotional load, either positive or negative. Their hearts literally break. It usually happens within minutes to an hour of hearing the news.
'The typical scenario is bad  news but there are reports of  both and we don't know what causes it most.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2218009/Why-shock-kill-good-news--Release-adrenaline-sudden-discovery-lead-heart-problems.html#ixzz4pRUtKQ9o

I would say that sort of reaction over which there is no control would be sufficient for one to 'go weak at the knees' and collapse into the 'praying arab' position used to deride Gerry McCann during what most would describe as the single most stressful event of his life.
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Going further ... why would I or any other pontificate on extreme the grief of parents who have just discovered their eldest child is missing from her bed?

Is there anything to compare it with?  I've seen no other case where the horror of such an event has either been publicised and exploited to ridicule bereaved parents as in the Amaral video.

In my opinion, it is utterly despicable and beneath contempt as are most sceptic shibboleths.

Well said

[stephen25000]

I don't find their behaviour unnatural.

Of course you don't.

You back them 100%, no matter what.

[Erngath]

Of course you don't.

You back them 100%, no matter what.

And you attack everything they do, no matter what.

[stephen25000]

And you attack everything they do, no matter what.

Cite, to back that up.

[Erngath]

Cite, to back that up.

Waiting for your cite first.

[slartibartfast]

I don't find their behaviour unnatural.

I find the timing of it strange, earlier I.e. At point of discovery or later I.e. When it became apparent that she wasn't going to turn up anytime soon would have been more natural. IMO

[Erngath]

I find the timing of it strange, earlier I.e. At point of discovery or later I.e. When it became apparent that she wasn't going to turn up anytime soon would have been more natural. IMO

I don't think you can determine when a wave of despair will overcome one at a time of extreme anxiety.

[pathfinder73]

I know funny things happen. Does Danny write about the not functioning parents that are able to function their mobiles very well

On May 4th, the parents authorise us to check the phone calls logged on their mobile.

- Here's a copy of the summary of calls.

- I only have that of the couple. We have yet to receive the summary from BTS

- OK, what have we got?

- Do you see what I see?

- Yes, I think so: between April 27th and May 4th, Kate did not make any calls. Hum...

- None either, between 11.22am and 11.17pm on the night of the disappearance.

- Kate mustn't like making telephone calls...

- For Gerald, there's nothing before May 4th at exactly 12.15am

- What does that mean? They never made phone calls then?

- Wait, there's something here. Look at the number at the top of the list.

- Yes, so?

- On her telephone, her husbands' number is logged: she called him on May 3rd at 11.17pm, but on Gerald's, nothing, no trace of that call!

- How can that be explained?

- It's simple as anything: the list of calls has been deleted.

- Always the same old question: why? (TOTL Amaral)

[Benice]

I know funny things happen. Does Danny write about the not functioning parents that are able to function their mobiles very well

On May 4th, the parents authorise us to check the phone calls logged on their mobile.

- Here's a copy of the summary of calls.

- I only have that of the couple. We have yet to receive the summary from BTS

- OK, what have we got?

- Do you see what I see?

- Yes, I think so: between April 27th and May 4th, Kate did not make any calls. Hum...

- None either, between 11.22am and 11.17pm on the night of the disappearance.

- Kate mustn't like making telephone calls...

- For Gerald, there's nothing before May 4th at exactly 12.15am

- What does that mean? They never made phone calls then?

- Wait, there's something here. Look at the number at the top of the list.

- Yes, so?

- On her telephone, her husbands' number is logged: she called him on May 3rd at 11.17pm, but on Gerald's, nothing, no trace of that call!

- How can that be explained?

- It's simple as anything: the list of calls has been deleted.

- Always the same old question: why?

I have a bog standard mobile which is years old.  I use it maybe 5 times a week.    I never text because it takes me too long.   It only accepts a certain no. of messages and then I have to delete existing messages before I can receive any more.

It could be their mobiles were the same and if they suddenly began receiving lots of calls instead of  the usual few - then they may have needed to delete some before they could receive any more.

[Robittybob1]

I know funny things happen. Does Danny write about the not functioning parents that are able to function their mobiles very well

On May 4th, the parents authorise us to check the phone calls logged on their mobile.

- Here's a copy of the summary of calls.

- I only have that of the couple. We have yet to receive the summary from BTS

- OK, what have we got?

- Do you see what I see?

- Yes, I think so: between April 27th and May 4th, Kate did not make any calls. Hum...

- None either, between 11.22am and 11.17pm on the night of the disappearance.

- Kate mustn't like making telephone calls...

- For Gerald, there's nothing before May 4th at exactly 12.15am

- What does that mean? They never made phone calls then?

- Wait, there's something here. Look at the number at the top of the list.

- Yes, so?

- On her telephone, her husbands' number is logged: she called him on May 3rd at 11.17pm, but on Gerald's, nothing, no trace of that call!

- How can that be explained?

- It's simple as anything: the list of calls has been deleted.

- Always the same old question: why?

What is the source of this information?

[Brietta]

Have you read online other psychologists  and police views as to what the Mccanns did, which do not agree with the one you quoted  ?

Cite them, please