Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[G-Unit]

Thanks for that G - but would the McCanns necessarily have known that?     I didn't.   In fact when I discovered (by receipt of a message) that there was in fact a 'memory' limit on my mobile  - it did not occur to me that this only applied to text messages.

I think a highly intelligent professional couple should have been able to read and understand the instructions that came with their phones. You get messages when your message inbox is full, but never about your call history. I have a phone I used in 2007 and my call history contains calls made and received in Jan 2007.

[sadie]

Kate McCann 4th May; employees contacted the authorities

The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Russell O'Brien 4th May;

He does not know who called the police.

Rachael 4th May

After this they began to search and called the police.

Fiona Payne Rogatory

 'And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine. Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'. Erm, and I, I don't know what Matt, erm, I don't know what Dave and Russell did at that point.

According to Fiona (a year after the event) there were a group there but none of them reported on 4th May that police were called by Matthew.

The people you mention above are not all talking about the same specific time.  The times are varied, but by taking words out of context, you give the impression that they all happened at the same time.

That is twisting facts.

[G-Unit]

The people you mention above are not all talking about the same specific time.  The times are varied, but by taking words out of context, you give the impression that they all happened at the same time.

That is twisting facts.

What times are they referring to if not the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance?

[Brietta]

What times are they referring to if not the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance?

It has always been my experience that constant reiterating salient facts of a case lend nothing to change them from what they are to what one would like them to be.

[G-Unit]

It has always been my experience that constant reiterating salient facts of a case lend nothing to change them from what they are to what one would like them to be.

I quoted facts and someone suggested they are not as I quoted them. That person therefore needs to clarify their argument by supplying facts which contradict mine.

[Brietta]

I quoted facts and someone suggested they are not as I quoted them. That person therefore needs to clarify their argument by supplying facts which contradict mine.

So we have two sets of facts?  From different people?  At different times?  Quite possibly non-verbatim and in a foreign language?  Translated into that language from another, then back again?

No problem there then ... hmmm.

[G-Unit]

So we have two sets of facts?  From different people?  At different times?  Quite possibly non-verbatim and in a foreign language?  Translated into that language from another, then back again?

No problem there then ... hmmm.

No, just one set of facts and an unsupported opinion.

[John]

Glad we have got that sorted out at last.  The Mail inferred in its article that Sutton had been approached about taking the job but Sutton himself denies that he was ever offered it.

[Brietta]

Glad we have got that sorted out at last.  The Mail inferred in its article that Sutton had been approached about taking the job but Sutton himself denies that he was ever offered it.

I think it proves the value of members like Davel to the forum in getting relevant information direct from source and it tends to remind us all to beware tabloids putting their own spin on issues.

[G-Unit]

I think it proves the value of members like Davel to the forum in getting relevant information direct from source and it tends to remind us all to beware tabloids putting their own spin on issues.

I think all members should be aware that the media should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. There has been a tendency to rely on what they have said in the past.

[slartibartfast]

Any more Libel will attract sanctions.

[Mr Gray]

I think all members should be aware that the media should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. There has been a tendency to rely on what they have said in the past.

I think read critically would be better
We can't just disregard everything MSM says
It just isn't always totally accurate

[Robittybob1]

Are we including Danny Collins' book part of the MSM?

[G-Unit]

Are we including Danny Collins' book part of the MSM?

He works in the industry as a self-styled freelance investigative journalist. His investigative skills (if any) seem to have let him down in this case imo.

[Mr Gray]

He works in the industry as a self-styled freelance investigative journalist. His investigative skills (if any) seem to have let him down in this case imo.

The journalists do not know that case in as much detail as those of us who have followed it for ten years