Portuguese judicial secrecy law and its impact on the Madeleine case.

[Brietta]

Journalist said under oath that they were told by Portuguese journalists that the PJ leaked. That doesn't mean the Portuguese journalists told the truth, of course. I found the mention of a translator being a source interesting.

I'm not sure about your second statement. I thought it was the '100% match' which caused problems? Not that I think that she or her DNA was in the car anyway.  It certainly wasn't on her bedroom windowsill either, as some stories said. The Portuguese journalist's sources let them down on that one.

In evidence Pilditch mentions 'senior officers' ... with respect, I think he will know rather more about who was leaking information and misinformation than you.

There was none of Madeleine's DNA found in the hire car.  That is a fact.  Just as it is a fact the investigation was leaking like a sieve.

Everyone in Luz who could, appeared to be intent on totally disregarding the secrecy laws ~ so why should it surprise you that a translator should not be exempt from leaping on the band wagon?
Who better than one who may translate on occasion for the police?

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Thus it is that like almost everything else being broadcast and published beyond Portugal's borders about the hunt for Madeleine, the claim that the police want to read Kate's diary has reached its audience via Hugo Beaty's bar.

Every day there starts the same way shortly after it opens at 9am, with an informal briefing to the foreign Press by a locally resident British woman who normally makes a meagre living acting as an occasional interpreter – for the Policia Judiciaria.

Every morning, the woman – who asked me not to publish her name – goes through the Portuguese tabloids and translates their ever-more febrile articles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html#ixzz4pH2xTS1s

[jassi]

In evidence Pilditch mentions 'senior officers' ... with respect, I think he will know rather more about who was leaking information and misinformation than you.

There was none of Madeleine's DNA found in the hire car.  That is a fact.  Just as it is a fact the investigation was leaking like a sieve.

Everyone in Luz who could, appeared to be intent on totally disregarding the secrecy laws ~ so why should it surprise you that an translator should not be exempt from leaping on the band wagon?
Who better than one who may translate on occasion for the police?

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Thus it is that like almost everything else being broadcast and published beyond Portugal's borders about the hunt for Madeleine, the claim that the police want to read Kate's diary has reached its audience via Hugo Beaty's bar.

Every day there starts the same way shortly after it opens at 9am, with an informal briefing to the foreign Press by a locally resident British woman who normally makes a meagre living acting as an occasional interpreter – for the Policia Judiciaria.

Every morning, the woman – who asked me not to publish her name – goes through the Portuguese tabloids and translates their ever-more febrile articles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html#ixzz4pH2xTS1s

I think not. He was relying on Portuguese journalists for his information, not the officers in question.

[Brietta]

I think not. He was relying on Portuguese journalists for his information, not the officers in question.

"Senior officers."

The words are not mine.

The words were said under oath. 

The problem among some is that the truth is not as agreeable as the lie. 

[ShiningInLuz]

In evidence Pilditch mentions 'senior officers' ... with respect, I think he will know rather more about who was leaking information and misinformation than you.

There was none of Madeleine's DNA found in the hire car.  That is a fact.  Just as it is a fact the investigation was leaking like a sieve.

Everyone in Luz who could, appeared to be intent on totally disregarding the secrecy laws ~ so why should it surprise you that an translator should not be exempt from leaping on the band wagon?
Who better than one who may translate on occasion for the police?

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Thus it is that like almost everything else being broadcast and published beyond Portugal's borders about the hunt for Madeleine, the claim that the police want to read Kate's diary has reached its audience via Hugo Beaty's bar.

Every day there starts the same way shortly after it opens at 9am, with an informal briefing to the foreign Press by a locally resident British woman who normally makes a meagre living acting as an occasional interpreter – for the Policia Judiciaria.

Every morning, the woman – who asked me not to publish her name – goes through the Portuguese tabloids and translates their ever-more febrile articles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html#ixzz4pH2xTS1s

Could one make this up?

If I had written this as a work of fiction, I would assume my opus magnus would never have seen the light of day.

Now we are on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ.

No doubt she will be in the PJ Files on a statement or two.

Should we enquire also as to whether she wore a plum-coloured dress to these 'briefings'?

For the record, Hugo Beatty's is a pleasant spot for nosh, with a restaurant, adjacent but separate bar, and a lounge with large screen sports TV.  I have no idea why the media chose to congregate there in 2007, when there were many alternatives in Luz.

[sadie]

Could one make this up?

If I had written this as a work of fiction, I would assume my opus magnus would never have seen the light of day.

Now we are on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ.

No doubt she will be in the PJ Files on a statement or two.

Should we enquire also as to whether she wore a plum-coloured dress to these 'briefings'?

For the record, Hugo Beatty's is a pleasant spot for nosh, with a restaurant, adjacent but separate bar, and a lounge with large screen sports TV.  I have no idea why the media chose to congregate there in 2007, when there were many alternatives in Luz.

Why on earth are you over-reacting like this?

Who is on any hunt for anyone?  Why introduce a plum coloured dress?  You are not making logical sense SIL.

Soz, SIL, but what is it about Brietta that you have to go at her all the time ?

[Brietta]

Could one make this up?

If I had written this as a work of fiction, I would assume my opus magnus would never have seen the light of day.

Now we are on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ.

No doubt she will be in the PJ Files on a statement or two.

Should we enquire also as to whether she wore a plum-coloured dress to these 'briefings'?

For the record, Hugo Beatty's is a pleasant spot for nosh, with a restaurant, adjacent but separate bar, and a lounge with large screen sports TV.  I have no idea why the media chose to congregate there in 2007, when there were many alternatives in Luz.

You may be "on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ", if that's what floats your boat, you will have no complaint from me.
I recognise it for the attempted deflection it so obviously is.

I find it far more interesting to hear from the horses' mouths so to speak, the genesis of and the mechanics of the ten year long propaganda campaign conducted against crime victims; and all under the convenient umbrella provided by Portugal's secrecy laws.

People unlike you, who were present in Luz at the time and used the system operating to flout the law.

Lies and misinformation designed to and which did succeed to defame and make suspects of innocent people by lawbreakers;  but the whistle has been blown on that and the fact of the matter revealed;  yet there remain those who prefer to deny the truth and defend the lie.

Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  I fear so.
Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage her parents and their campaign on her behalf?  I fear so.

[stephen25000]

You may be "on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ", if that's what floats your boat, you will have no complaint from me.
I recognise it for the attempted deflection it so obviously is.

I find it far more interesting to hear from the horses' mouths so to speak, the genesis of and the mechanics of the ten year long propaganda campaign conducted against crime victims; and all under the convenient umbrella provided by Portugal's secrecy laws.

People unlike you, who were present in Luz at the time and used the system operating to flout the law.

Lies and misinformation designed to and which did succeed to defame and make suspects of innocent people by lawbreakers;  but the whistle has been blown on that and the fact of the matter revealed;  yet there remain those who prefer to deny the truth and defend the lie.

Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  I fear so.
Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage her parents and their campaign on her behalf?  I fear so.

The last two sentences are purely your opinion Brietta, and there is no evidence to back it up.

What also of the leaks to the press by close friends of the Mccann's ?

[ShiningInLuz]

Why on earth are you over-reacting like this?

Who is on any hunt for anyone?  Why introduce a plum coloured dress?  You are not making logical sense SIL.

Soz, SIL, but what is it about Brietta that you have to go at her all the time ?

Sadie, kindly stop trying to moderate my posts.

I am not having a go at Brietta.

I am having a laugh about a woman (who probably exists) going into Hugo Beatty's each day to 'brief' the foreign press on what the Portuguese press were saying (which may well have happened).  This something straight out of a Brian Rix farce.

As to the plum-coloured dress, surely you are aware that is the 'final' final lead, at least until the next final lead?

[ShiningInLuz]

You may be "on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ", if that's what floats your boat, you will have no complaint from me.
I recognise it for the attempted deflection it so obviously is.

I find it far more interesting to hear from the horses' mouths so to speak, the genesis of and the mechanics of the ten year long propaganda campaign conducted against crime victims; and all under the convenient umbrella provided by Portugal's secrecy laws.

People unlike you, who were present in Luz at the time and used the system operating to flout the law.

Lies and misinformation designed to and which did succeed to defame and make suspects of innocent people by lawbreakers;  but the whistle has been blown on that and the fact of the matter revealed;  yet there remain those who prefer to deny the truth and defend the lie.

Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  I fear so.
Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage her parents and their campaign on her behalf?  I fear so.

To be blunt, I find the part that I have bolded offensive.

Kindly stop introducing an idea, then when I comment on YOUR post, criticise me for deflecting.

Northampton Town sums it up.

[Alice Purjorick]

You may be "on the hunt for a locally-resident English woman who makes a meagre living translating for the PJ", if that's what floats your boat, you will have no complaint from me.
I recognise it for the attempted deflection it so obviously is.

I find it far more interesting to hear from the horses' mouths so to speak, the genesis of and the mechanics of the ten year long propaganda campaign conducted against crime victims; and all under the convenient umbrella provided by Portugal's secrecy laws.

People unlike you, who were present in Luz at the time and used the system operating to flout the law.

Lies and misinformation designed to and which did succeed to defame and make suspects of innocent people by lawbreakers;  but the whistle has been blown on that and the fact of the matter revealed;  yet there remain those who prefer to deny the truth and defend the lie.

Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  I fear so.
Did manipulation of the secrecy law damage her parents and their campaign on her behalf?  I fear so.

See my earlier post. Go have a chat with the Investigating Judge. Until then you are whistling in the wind with, effectively :
"My dad knows a bloke in the next village who lives next door to a woman who cleans for the guy who delivers the mail, so I should know".

[Brietta]

See my earlier post. Go have a chat with the Investigating Judge. Until then you are whistling in the wind with, effectively :
"My dad knows a bloke in the next village who lives next door to a woman who cleans for the guy who delivers the mail, so I should know".

I've read Leveson ... did you?

[Brietta]

To be blunt, I find the part that I have bolded offensive.

Kindly stop introducing an idea, then when I comment on YOUR post, criticise me for deflecting.

Northampton Town sums it up.

Northampton town like Casa Pia before it illustrates the evils possible in a society consisting of many deniers of the possibility.

[Brietta]

The last two sentences are purely your opinion Brietta, and there is no evidence to back it up.

What also of the leaks to the press by close friends of the Mccann's ?

Goodness gracious, Stephen.  Are you suggesting that what was said under oath during the Leveson inquiry is not evidence?

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JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends. Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC ONE
DATE: 19:11:07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

[stephen25000]

Goodness gracious, Stephen.  Are you suggesting that what was said under oath during the Leveson inquiry is not evidence?

Quote
JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends. Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC ONE
DATE: 19:11:07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

Do you actually believe everyone tells the truth at inquiries.

[G-Unit]

In evidence Pilditch mentions 'senior officers' ... with respect, I think he will know rather more about who was leaking information and misinformation than you.

There was none of Madeleine's DNA found in the hire car.  That is a fact.  Just as it is a fact the investigation was leaking like a sieve.

Everyone in Luz who could, appeared to be intent on totally disregarding the secrecy laws ~ so why should it surprise you that a translator should not be exempt from leaping on the band wagon?
Who better than one who may translate on occasion for the police?

Quote
Thus it is that like almost everything else being broadcast and published beyond Portugal's borders about the hunt for Madeleine, the claim that the police want to read Kate's diary has reached its audience via Hugo Beaty's bar.

Every day there starts the same way shortly after it opens at 9am, with an informal briefing to the foreign Press by a locally resident British woman who normally makes a meagre living acting as an occasional interpreter – for the Policia Judiciaria.

Every morning, the woman – who asked me not to publish her name – goes through the Portuguese tabloids and translates their ever-more febrile articles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html#ixzz4pH2xTS1s

Piditch was quite clear. He was told by Portuguese journalists that they were in daily contact with senior officers in the investigation. He knew nothing more or he would have told the inquiry. He relied on Portuguese journalists to tell him the truth. That does not mean they did tell him the truth. Therefore that does not make it a fact that the PJ leaked. The only fact is that Portuguese journalists said the PJ leaked.