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Offline sadie

Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« on: August 03, 2017, 04:36:26 PM »
In the past 5 years I have only been in the Algarve for less than a fortnight total but I have been there twice!

BTW, the little brown camper van that was noticed in Figueira before Joana vanished, also vanished and was found dumped in Praia de Luz.


Of course everyone was aware of what happened in the Joana Cipriano case .... and how her mother was tortured to near blindness.

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Offline John

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 04:58:30 PM »
In the past 5 years I have only been in the Algarve for less than a fortnight total but I have been there twice!

BTW, the little brown camper van that was noticed in Figueira before Joana vanished, also vanished and was found dumped in Praia de Luz.


Of course everyone was aware of what happened in the Joana Cipriano case .... and how her mother was tortured to near blindness.

At least she wasn't fed to the pigs.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 05:06:50 PM »
At least she wasn't fed to the pigs.

That is outrageous.

Offline John

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 07:10:09 PM »
That is outrageous.

Yet some like Sadie insist on defending the witch.
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Offline misty

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 07:17:22 PM »
Yet some like Sadie insist on defending the witch.

Leonor's conviction was unsafe - as unsafe as Kate's would have been had Amaral had his way.

Offline sadie

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 09:16:08 PM »
At least she wasn't fed to the pigs.
And almost certainly, neither was Joana.

No proof, forensics, about that John, just a figment of Amarals imagination, it seems.



It is highly likely that Joana still lives today, because there are no indicators / pointers/ clues/ forensics of the slightest worth to indicate otherwise.

Offline sadie

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 09:49:37 PM »
Yet some like Sadie insist on defending the witch.

Amaral and Cristovao had NO FORENSICS and NO PROOF that Joana was murdered by anyone.  Poor Leonor and Joao were encarcerated upon made up evidence .... nothing more IMHO.


I repeat, I think that Joana is probably alive today. 

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Offline John

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 01:43:43 AM »
And almost certainly, neither was Joana.

No proof, forensics, about that John, just a figment of Amarals imagination, it seems.



It is highly likely that Joana still lives today, because there are no indicators / pointers/ clues/ forensics of the slightest worth to indicate otherwise.

I suppose the video admission by Joao Cipriano that he fed Joana's remains to the pigs doesn't count as evidence in your world Sadie thus rendering your support of a woman who admitted to killing her child by battering her head off the kitchen wall pretty pathetic.

Do you honestly think that Joao Cipriano voluntarily took part in a police video to enhance his street cred?
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 01:45:49 AM by John »
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Offline John

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 01:52:54 AM »
Amaral and Cristovao had NO FORENSICS and NO PROOF that Joana was murdered by anyone.  Poor Leonor and Joao were encarcerated upon made up evidence .... nothing more IMHO.


I repeat, I think that Joana is probably alive today.

Those comments are just plainly wrong on so many counts.  There was ample evidence to convict the pair and convicted they were.  Minute traces of blood was found all over the family home, on the wall where Leonor claimed to have hit the girls head, on floor tiles, on shoes, in a refridgerator even after she had attempted to clean away the damning evidence using chemical cleaners which she went out and bought specifically for the job.

How many different stories did she tell investigators before eventually claiming to come clean?

Your attempts to excuse the murdering pair are rather pathetic.  They both got their just desserts imho, one for murder and the other as an accomplice after the fact.  Leonor Cipriano had a history of child neglect and abandonment while her brother had already served a sentence for attempted murder.  How you can possibly offer support for such a pair in an attempt to mitigate on behalf of the McCanns is frankly troubling.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM by John »
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Offline misty

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 02:06:45 AM »
Those comments are just plainly wrong on so many counts.  There was ample evidence to convict the pair and convicted they were.  Minute traces of blood was found all over the family home, on the wall where Leonor claimed to have hit the girls head, on floor tiles, on shoes, in a refridgerator even after she had attempted to clean away the damning evidence using chemical cleaners which she went out and bought specifically for the job.

How many different stories did she tell investigators before eventually claiming to come clean?

Your attempts to excuse the murdering pair are rather pathetic.  They both got their just desserts imho, one for murder and the other as an accomplice after the fact.  Leonor Cipriano had a history of child neglect and abandonment while her brother had already served a sentence for attempted murder.  How you can possibly offer support for such a pair in an attempt to mitigate on behalf of the McCanns is frankly troubling.

How much resemblance does this have to Joana's case?

*snipped*
After having pummeled her with kicks, the father hurled her, with all his strength, against the wall. Then, grabbing her by the hair, he violently hit her head several times against the bedroom wall, under the passive gaze of the mother. Animal violence that killed *******. The parents then decided to get rid of the body legally, by requesting a death certificate. Tragic mistake. They faked the crime scene, washed the blood off the walls and places where the father had hit the little girl. To get rid of all trace of the crime, they threw into the bin the denim skirt that the little girl wore for the first time that Sunday.
After the examination of the body, the medical examiner and the investigator were in no doubt: ******* had been savagely killed by her father with the passive consent of the mother, and in front of her 5 year-old brother.

Offline John

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 02:13:09 AM »
How much resemblance does this have to Joana's case?

*snipped*
After having pummeled her with kicks, the father hurled her, with all his strength, against the wall. Then, grabbing her by the hair, he violently hit her head several times against the bedroom wall, under the passive gaze of the mother. Animal violence that killed *******. The parents then decided to get rid of the body legally, by requesting a death certificate. Tragic mistake. They faked the crime scene, washed the blood off the walls and places where the father had hit the little girl. To get rid of all trace of the crime, they threw into the bin the denim skirt that the little girl wore for the first time that Sunday.
After the examination of the body, the medical examiner and the investigator were in no doubt: ******* had been savagely killed by her father with the passive consent of the mother, and in front of her 5 year-old brother.

Amaral admitted that the murder of three-year-old Mariana by her father had a profound effect on him.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6930.msg301272#msg301272
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 02:26:26 AM by John »
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Offline misty

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 02:37:30 AM »
Amaral admitted that the murder of three-year-old Mariana by her father had a profound effect on him.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6930.msg301272#msg301272

3 cases, 3 young girls, 3 girls allegedly killed by blows to their heads against a wall, 3 dwellings cleaned with bleach,
3 dwellings with alleged blood spatters in several places, 3 alleged attempted cover-ups of death.......yes, it certainly had a profound affect on his judgement - IMO it set a precedent.

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Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2017, 08:31:14 AM »
3 cases, 3 young girls, 3 girls allegedly killed by blows to their heads against a wall, 3 dwellings cleaned with bleach,
3 dwellings with alleged blood spatters in several places, 3 alleged attempted cover-ups of death.......yes, it certainly had a profound affect on his judgement - IMO it set a precedent.


You are being very selective.

What of the other cases he pursued during his career.

Offline barrier

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2017, 08:35:52 AM »

You are being very selective.

What of the other cases he pursued during his career.

It always seems to be his fault for not finding out what happened to Madeleine, or there again maybe he did.
Ah,but I may as well try and catch the wind.

Online G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new from the Cipriano case?
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2017, 09:08:22 AM »
It always seems to be his fault for not finding out what happened to Madeleine, or there again maybe he did.

Amaral was the coordinator of the investigation. He didn't make all the decisions, that was done by Encarnacao, Neves and the prosecutors. Some seem to think that discrediting Amaral discredits the first investigation.

That's the kind of faulty logic that led the media to believe that discrediting Corbyn would ensure a Tory landslide in the last election.
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