Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

[mrswah]

At the time of Ian Huntley's and Maxine Carr's trial, I was studying this case as part of my Open University course. I assumed, like most other people, that Ian Huntley was as guilty as sin, although I did have some sympathy for Maxine Carr.  She was being branded, by some elements of the media, as the next Myra Hindley, while she had been away from home at the time of the murders, and therefore, can't have participated.

Surprisingly, I now find various articles on the internet which suggest that Huntley is innocent of the Soham murders. I am listing a few links, some of which promote his guilt, and others which promote his innocence.

What do people think?

www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/743324

www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/who-killed-holly-and-jessica.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204232

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=30495

[Leonora]

At the time of Ian Huntley's and Maxine Carr's trial, I was studying this case as part of my Open University course. I assumed, like most other people, that Ian Huntley was as guilty as sin, although I did have some sympathy for Maxine Carr.  She was being branded, by some elements of the media, as the next Myra Hindley, while she had been away from home at the time of the murders, and therefore, can't have participated.

Surprisingly, I now find various articles on the internet which suggest that Huntley is innocent of the Soham murders. I am listing a few links, some of which promote his guilt, and others which promote his innocence.

What do people think?

This person thinks the following, sober link merits including in your list:

http://www.justjustice.org/

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At the time of Ian Huntley's and Maxine Carr's trial, I was studying this case as part of my Open University course. I assumed, like most other people, that Ian Huntley was as guilty as sin, although I did have some sympathy for Maxine Carr.  She was being branded, by some elements of the media, as the next Myra Hindley, while she had been away from home at the time of the murders, and therefore, can't have participated.

Surprisingly, I now find various articles on the internet which suggest that Huntley is innocent of the Soham murders. I am listing a few links, some of which promote his guilt, and others which promote his innocence.

What do people think?

www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/743324

www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/who-killed-holly-and-jessica.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204232

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=30495

Why was Ian Huntley put in Rampton ????   What signs of mental health issues did Ian Huntley display for him to be held at Rampton???

[mrswah]

Why was Ian Huntley put in Rampton ????   What signs of mental health issues did Ian Huntley display for him to be held at Rampton???

I read that when he was first arrested, he appeared confused about why he had been arrested,  wouldn't answer questions, and was dribbling while being questioned. So, the police called in doctors who sectioned him under the Mental Health Act. He was held in Rampton for 50 days so that doctors could assess him to determine whether or not he was fit to stand trial. He was actually sectioned before he was charged.

[celebritydiscodave]

It should not be of concern what people think, as it is perception that can get in the way of what actually "is".  We should never judge on account of what appears to us to be the case, our perceptions, but rather, we should apply raw unadulterated logic, much like a genuine philosopher in the process of actual philosophy/truth unveiling.  Perception is a product of all kinds of garbage from all kinds of different places, and it is the thorn in the side of our judicial system.  Perception is often a product of little more than how convincing a collection, come collections of words sound to our ears.

[Wonderfulspam]

I've been reading the links & I find the evidence against Huntley all a bit confusing.


'At Huntley's trial, a forensic expert testified that the clothes found in Huntley's caretaker bin had been cut off, apparently in a hurry, and in a manner similar to the way that medics cut clothes off in emergencies. There was no evidence of DNA, probably because of the condition of the clothes, and almost all of the clothes showed signs of soot and charred markings. All were wet or damp and smelled of an accelerant such as petrol.


According to the story, Huntley went to the trouble of returning to the burial site to remove both girls shirts/ clothes.

He set fire to them in a bin to destroy evidence, using petrol, but they weren't fully destroyed?

Surely, if he was going to so much trouble to destroy evidence he would make bloody well sure it was destroyed?

I've burnt clothing in a bin before, it tends to burn well, even without petrol.


The only reason I can see for the clothing to be damp or wet & not fully destroyed is if someone put out the fire after they started it?

Doesn't make any sense. 

Apparently none of the girls DNA was found in his house. 

So, he done this amazingly meticulous & thorough job of removing all the evidence, finger prints, DNA from his home, but then gave up being careful during the simplest part of his cover up, burning stuff.

Odd. 

[Wonderfulspam]

The body language of a killer: How Soham murderer Ian Huntley gave away SEVEN signs of deception during a police interview 15 years ago - all while saying just three words

17th August 2017

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4796702/Expert-analyses-body-language-Soham-killer-Ian-Huntley.html


I'd be interested to see the police interview of Huntley appearing confused & dribbling, which lead to his detainment under the mental health act.


** P.S. 

Whilst I find some aspects of the case & evidence confusing, I can't help but think that...any cover up/ framing scenario of Ian Huntley(for whatever reason that I can imagine) with the murder of these girls, just seem incredibly far fetched.

[mrswah]

I find it somewhat difficult to believe Ian Huntley is innocent , to be perfectly honest. However, I think there are questions to be asked.

Firstly, his being "sectioned" under the Mental Health Act even before he was charged. From what I have read, he  had attempted suicide at the age of about eighteen, so he must have had some kind of history of mental health problems. However, when he was assisting the police in the early days after Holly and Jessica disappeared, he looked and sounded perfectly sane on TV.

Also, there were, apparently, various witnesses who claimed to have seen the girls after they were supposed to have been killed in Huntley's house. None of these witnesses testified in court. I presume they were not asked to. At least one of them actually knew both girls. In one book written about the case, the author suggests that they were time wasters, taking up valuable police time! This sounds too "convenient", IMO.

[Miss Taken Identity]

an interesting Thread Mrswah.

I believe he did commit those murders,  purely based from memory and what I read. He panicked and didn't intend to kill them-when one girl died in the bathroom? he had to kill the other one. I don't know how he did this, locked the door perhaps. I don't know. IF this all took place in one room the bathroom  it is easy to get rid of all DNA.

 He doesn't come across as the smartest of chumps and his sad attempt to be a serial killer failed- he may have had suicidal thoughts due to being caught and how that would affect him. Maybe he didn't mean to kill the first girl and did panic and became scared of what he did. Remorse and shame perhaps?

With regards to his then girlfriend- she gave an alibi-lied to the police. Guilt by association? I wouldn't put her in Myra Hindley file,  but certainly she did cover for him, for a while.

[mrswah]

Yes, Maxine Carr did cover for him, by saying that she was at home and in the bath when the girls came to the house. In fact, she was away in Grimsby, staying with her mother. She was given a prison sentence for this, although the jury found her not guilty of assisting an offender.  She said that she covered for him because he had previously been accused of rape (falsely, as it happens: CCTV later showed him to have been elsewhere at the time) and had suffered emotionally as a result, and she believed he was afraid of being falsely accused again.

It seems, however, that he did have previous form for having sexual relationships with underage girls. One of these girls was only 11 years old when she claims to have been  abused by him, and she has written a book:  "Hailey's Story" by Hailey Giblin. He had also been involved in a burglary. None of his previous offences ever came to court.

His story regarding killing the girls accidentally was not accepted , and he was convicted of murder.

Is he a murderer?  I really don't know-------------

[Tim Invictus]

When exposed to the evidence against him, Huntley changed his story to accidentally killing both girls. A last desperate attempt to avoid responsibility. How on earth anyone can question his guilt is beyond me.

[Brietta]

When exposed to the evidence against him, Huntley changed his story to accidentally killing both girls. A last desperate attempt to avoid responsibility. How on earth anyone can question his guilt is beyond me.

The man has been proven to be as guilty as sin.
In providing a false alibi for him and helping him to clean the house Maxine Carr deserved every second of jail time she served and more besides.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/21/soham.ukcrime1

[Angelo222]

Totally agree with Tim and Brie, Huntley was rightly convicted of killing the two girls, a depraved and despicable crime which he compounded when he tried to burn their bodies.  He should rot in jail for the rest of his miserable days.  I also agree that Maxine Carr got what she had coming for covering up for him.

[AerialHunter]

I wasn't aware of any attempt to burn the bodies, this is of importance to our investigation. Can anybody elaborate?

AH

[APRIL]

He tried to burn the bodies to make identification more difficult.