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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 11:35:54 AM »
I wasn't aware of any attempt to burn the bodies, this is of importance to our investigation. Can anybody elaborate?

AH

I read somewhere that he burned some clothing in a bin at the school.

Their bodies were deposited in a ditch near the barracks, I've also read that he tried to burn them there.

Huntley admits burning bodies

Mr Huntley admits that he cut and removed the clothing from the girls, that he burned the girls' clothes in a bin before placing a bag over the garments, and that he "set the bodies alight and used petrol in the process."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/nov/28/soham.ukcrime

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 11:40:24 AM »

This report is quite detailed.

Huntley 'burned girls' bodies in ditch'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1446212/Huntley-burned-girls-bodies-in-ditch.html

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 04:16:31 PM »
The man has been proven to be as guilty as sin.
In providing a false alibi for him and helping him to clean the house Maxine Carr deserved every second of jail time she served and more besides.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/21/soham.ukcrime1

I agree totally.
I find it hard to cast Maxine Carr in the role the sisterhood would like us to believe.
Behind every woman who commits an unsavoury act is a Svengali? I rather think not.
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Offline searcher

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2018, 01:36:39 PM »
At the time of Ian Huntley's and Maxine Carr's trial, I was studying this case as part of my Open University course. I assumed, like most other people, that Ian Huntley was as guilty as sin, although I did have some sympathy for Maxine Carr.  She was being branded, by some elements of the media, as the next Myra Hindley, while she had been away from home at the time of the murders, and therefore, can't have participated.

Surprisingly, I now find various articles on the internet which suggest that Huntley is innocent of the Soham murders. I am listing a few links, some of which promote his guilt, and others which promote his innocence.

What do people think?

www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/743324

www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/who-killed-holly-and-jessica.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204232

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=30495

Offline searcher

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2018, 01:59:28 PM »
With regard to the quote above, I do not think there is a shred of evidence against either Ian Huntley or Maxine Carr. I think they were both royally stitched-up. The bodies were found outside an American airbase where US servicemen and women were on transit via active service in Afghanistan. Some of these personnel will have been suffering from PTSD and some may have been suffering from the effects of some of the medications needed.  Given the location of the bodies, the criminals involved are far more likely to have been from a US airbase.

It is on record that the girls walked past Ian Huntley's house while he was outside brushing his dog - an Alsation. It is quite likely - given the ages and dispositions of the girls - that the girls would have wanted to stroke Ian Huntley's dog and this also may have facilitated striking up a conversation about Huntley's then girlfriend Maxine Carr.

Was the dog tested for DNA from the girls? I know there was some talk of a cracked bath - I wonder if Huntley panicked after realizing he was the last person to see the girls and it was then that the Alsation was washed thus cracking the bath, allegedly.

I do not for a minute believe he or his girlfriend were guilty but you could see why they might panic. The account of the conversation he had with the girls sounds entirely plausible and many eye-witnesses saw the girls AFTER they had walked away from his house. No DNA from the girls was found in his house.

A police handler with a dog who spoke to Ian Huntley when he helpfully showed her around the campus does not record the dog reacting to Huntley at all. This is despite the fact that according to the investigation Huntley had killed the girls by then.

Why would Huntley put the girls' football tops in a bin on his campus? That would just be a ridiculous thing to do. No DNA was found on the tops.

Why was the taxi-driver who saw a car driving crazily with two girls inside after the girls had left Huntley's house not called to the witness stand? There are many other witnesses who saw the girls in Soham and heading in the Newmarket direction after Huntley had allegedly murdered them.

I honestly don't think the conviction has a leg to stand on. The forensics don't match. Huntley was incarcerated at Rampton where he apparently lost his memory. What drugs was he given at Rampton?

Why were none of the servicemen and women at the US airbases interviewed?  The taxi-driver saw the erratically driven car with two girls inside - with the driver turning around flapping at presumably Jessica's mobile - heading in the Newmarket direction at around 7pm. A jogger several hours later heard child-like screams coming from the area at Warren Hill where the very same jogger, a week later, found two mounds of earth that looked like shallow graves. Police spent all night at the site and then declared they were 'badger sets'. Why spend all night there on a false lead? What were they doing all night?

Days later the bodies were supposedly found for the first time outside the perimeter fence at Lakenheath?

It seems far more likely that the bodies were, in fact, found at Warren Hill and later moved to Lakenheath near where Huntley had family members living and I think is said he  would go there plane-spotting.

I think there is every evidence that the trail lead away from Huntley's house and ended at Warren Hill.

If I was the family of either Huntley or Carr I would be firmly on this case as I think it's the most appalling miscarriage of justice.  I think they were framed to avoid a scandal involving US servicemen at one of the airbases.

IMO only of course!

Offline John

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2018, 05:00:20 PM »
With regard to the quote above, I do not think there is a shred of evidence against either Ian Huntley or Maxine Carr. I think they were both royally stitched-up. The bodies were found outside an American airbase where US servicemen and women were on transit via active service in Afghanistan. Some of these personnel will have been suffering from PTSD and some may have been suffering from the effects of some of the medications needed.  Given the location of the bodies, the criminals involved are far more likely to have been from a US airbase.

It is on record that the girls walked past Ian Huntley's house while he was outside brushing his dog - an Alsation. It is quite likely - given the ages and dispositions of the girls - that the girls would have wanted to stroke Ian Huntley's dog and this also may have facilitated striking up a conversation about Huntley's then girlfriend Maxine Carr.

Was the dog tested for DNA from the girls? I know there was some talk of a cracked bath - I wonder if Huntley panicked after realizing he was the last person to see the girls and it was then that the Alsation was washed thus cracking the bath, allegedly.

I do not for a minute believe he or his girlfriend were guilty but you could see why they might panic. The account of the conversation he had with the girls sounds entirely plausible and many eye-witnesses saw the girls AFTER they had walked away from his house. No DNA from the girls was found in his house.

A police handler with a dog who spoke to Ian Huntley when he helpfully showed her around the campus does not record the dog reacting to Huntley at all. This is despite the fact that according to the investigation Huntley had killed the girls by then.

Why would Huntley put the girls' football tops in a bin on his campus? That would just be a ridiculous thing to do. No DNA was found on the tops.

Why was the taxi-driver who saw a car driving crazily with two girls inside after the girls had left Huntley's house not called to the witness stand? There are many other witnesses who saw the girls in Soham and heading in the Newmarket direction after Huntley had allegedly murdered them.

I honestly don't think the conviction has a leg to stand on. The forensics don't match. Huntley was incarcerated at Rampton where he apparently lost his memory. What drugs was he given at Rampton?

Why were none of the servicemen and women at the US airbases interviewed?  The taxi-driver saw the erratically driven car with two girls inside - with the driver turning around flapping at presumably Jessica's mobile - heading in the Newmarket direction at around 7pm. A jogger several hours later heard child-like screams coming from the area at Warren Hill where the very same jogger, a week later, found two mounds of earth that looked like shallow graves. Police spent all night at the site and then declared they were 'badger sets'. Why spend all night there on a false lead? What were they doing all night?

Days later the bodies were supposedly found for the first time outside the perimeter fence at Lakenheath?

It seems far more likely that the bodies were, in fact, found at Warren Hill and later moved to Lakenheath near where Huntley had family members living and I think is said he  would go there plane-spotting.

I think there is every evidence that the trail lead away from Huntley's house and ended at Warren Hill.

If I was the family of either Huntley or Carr I would be firmly on this case as I think it's the most appalling miscarriage of justice.  I think they were framed to avoid a scandal involving US servicemen at one of the airbases.

IMO only of course!

Huntley later admitted in court that he had returned to the site several days after the girls died to set the bodies alight, in what police saw as an attempt on his part to destroy any forensic evidence.  Not something an innocent person would admit to doing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3246118.stm


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Offline searcher

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2018, 09:37:40 AM »
Huntley later admitted in court that he had returned to the site several days after the girls died to set the bodies alight, in what police saw as an attempt on his part to destroy any forensic evidence.  Not something an innocent person would admit to doing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3246118.stm


PS.   Welcome to the forum by the way.

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Huntley was detained at Rampton for 'treatment'. I do not for a minute believe he is responsible for the killing of the two girls. There is no  proper evidence that he did it.

IMO!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2018, 10:58:31 AM »
Huntley later admitted in court that he had returned to the site several days after the girls died to set the bodies alight, in what police saw as an attempt on his part to destroy any forensic evidence.  Not something an innocent person would admit to doing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3246118.stm


PS.   Welcome to the forum by the way.

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Huntley was detained at Rampton for 'treatment'. I do not for a minute believe he is responsible for the killing of the two girls. There is no  proper evidence that he did it.

IMO!

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Offline APRIL

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2018, 01:23:02 PM »
You're wrong...sorry.

I concur. Information released after his conviction showed he'd long had a penchant for younger girls and violence.

Offline Caroline

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2018, 06:12:03 PM »
Huntley later admitted in court that he had returned to the site several days after the girls died to set the bodies alight, in what police saw as an attempt on his part to destroy any forensic evidence.  Not something an innocent person would admit to doing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3246118.stm


PS.   Welcome to the forum by the way.

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Huntley was detained at Rampton for 'treatment'. I do not for a minute believe he is responsible for the killing of the two girls. There is no  proper evidence that he did it.

IMO!

What (to you) constitutes proper evidence?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2018, 10:49:01 PM »
Hello Searcher,

you said "I think they were framed to avoid a scandal involving US servicemen at one of the airbases. "

So can you explain why they 'confessed'. and what evidence is there of a cover up, and who do you think is involved in this cover up and why?

The witneses who saw the girls after being at Huntly's house were not allowed to give evidence because?
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Offline Sunny

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2018, 07:10:05 AM »
Welcome Searcher.

Didn't Huntley confess to the deaths of Holly and Jessica?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1546975/Huntley-revealed-all-in-taped-confession.html
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Ian Huntley and the Murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2018, 09:30:11 PM »
Welcome Searcher.

Didn't Huntley confess to the deaths of Holly and Jessica?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1546975/Huntley-revealed-all-in-taped-confession.html

I think the 'Americans dun it' theory with a UK coverup a bit far fetched to be honest.
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