Search for Madeleine McCann moves to Greece.

[jassi]

I think that the fact that this is now appearing in the news suggests that its all been sorted and discounted.
The advantage of releasing it is that it purports to shows that there are still leads to follow, however useless they may later turn out to be, so please give us the money - next time it might be a really useful lead.

[stephen25000]

I think that the fact that this is now appearing in the news suggests that its all been sorted and discounted.
The advantage of releasing it is that it purports to shows that there are still leads to follow, however useless they may later turn out to be, so please give us the money - next time it might be a really useful lead.

Now, whatever happened to that last remaining lead ?

[barrier]

Is there any suggestion that Grange are following this or is it likely to be one of the 8,000+ sightings mentioned back in October 2015.

Edit to include cite.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

[jassi]

Now, whatever happened to that last remaining lead ?

The dice came up with a losing number.

[stephen25000]

The dice came up with a losing number.

No surprise there then.

[faithlilly]

More than likely the police found him not credible.

I'm sure the reward money must have been appealing.

[slartibartfast]

I'm sure the reward money must have been appealing.

...and he appeared to be in a mess of trouble.

[Alice Purjorick]

Is there any suggestion that Grange are following this or is it likely to be one of the 8,000+ sightings mentioned back in October 2015.

Edit to include cite.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

The word "abduction" is noticeable by it's absence in that review. "Disappearance" seems to be the favourite description.

[Brietta]

In the light of that I will amend the first line of my original post.
One wonders why it took him so long to say anything to The MPS or for two onepolice forces and n sets of PIs to miss him completely

I don't know how relevant whatever information this man alleges he passed to the police was, but if the police were less than diligent in their record keeping, how were PIs or others supposed to either know about him or what he had passed to the investigation.

He is not alone in saying he had passed information to the police ... he is not alone in assuming the police did what  they normally do ... and that is to investigate.

One explanation ???  "Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.
According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.

    ////    ////    ////    ////

Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.
"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."
Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488802/Madeleine-New-police-chiefs-fury-mess-inherited-predecessor.html#ixzz4s6YpLYuM


I don't know if there has been a trade off of information from this guy.  The relevant thing about him as far as I am concerned is that he is a criminal and as such is highly likely to mix in circles where other criminality is either known about or even witnessed.

Whatever his motivation ... if he has information ... in my opinion it was well worth checking out, and I think Scotland Yard may have already gleaned valuable information as a result of doing so.

[Alice Purjorick]

I don't know how relevant whatever information this man alleges he passed to the police was, but if the police were less than diligent in their record keeping, how were PIs or others supposed to either know about him or what he had passed to the investigation.

He is not alone in saying he had passed information to the police ... he is not alone in assuming the police did what  they normally do ... and that is to investigate.

One explanation ???  "Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.
According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.

    ////    ////    ////    ////

Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.
"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."
Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488802/Madeleine-New-police-chiefs-fury-mess-inherited-predecessor.html#ixzz4s6YpLYuM


I don't know if there has been a trade off of information from this guy.  The relevant thing about him as far as I am concerned is that he is a criminal and as such is highly likely to mix in circles where other criminality is either known about or even witnessed.

Whatever his motivation ... if he has information ... in my opinion it was well worth checking out, and I think Scotland Yard may have already gleaned valuable information as a result of doing so.

If if if if .
One of my guys had a great expression to cover that sort of thing when doing what we do.
Yes I have heard ducks fart before.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't know much about the law in Greece, but I wondered why he's out of prison if he was sentenced to over 7 years in 2015.

Math not a good point?

 Indeed! he got a short sentence? and at the time  in 2007 there was a huge sum offered as a reward, maybe the PJ thought he was a numpty or a con artist or both.

It is worth remembering how many 'sigtings' were coming in  phone calls, faxes, emails etc did it collapse under the strain of all those false leads? Did K&G really expect the PJ to only deal with their case and leave all other crimes to one side or perhaps they thought the PJ could bring new recruits?

[sadie]

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/

To my surprise i found this.
The original article was published in the newspaper To Vima which considered a reliable source. I couldn't find it on line.


Scotland Yard is looking for Madeleine’s secret in Athens


28 August 2017

Scotland Yard is looking for the secret of British toddler Madeleine McCann in Athens after a witness contacted the team Grange. A Greek newspaper revealed that a German citizen living in Athens contacted  “Team Grange” claiming he had information about the case as he was in nearby area when 3-year-old Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in Algarve Portugal  in 2007.

According to Sunday newspaper To Vima, the 46-year-old German citizen has already spoken with detectives of Scotland Yard’s “Grange”, a team established in 2011 and assigned with the Madeleine’s case.

The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.”

New witness

Citing a memo prepared by the Greek Police on 18 July 2017, To Vima reports that the German national had contacted the Grange team last May the aim to help investigation. The Police memo was based on a briefing the Greek police representative in London had received by the Metropolitan Police of UK.

The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”

Citing several police sources and documents, To Vima writes that the German national who has permanent residence in France was arrested in Igoumenista, North-West Greece, in 2011 for the transport of illegal migrants from Africa. A case was filed but he was set free. He was arrested again in Thessaloniki in 2015, when he returned to Greece for holidays. He was sentenced to seven years and five months imprisonment. He denied charges claiming he had helped the three hiking foreigners. He served his sentence in the prison of Chania, Crete, and from there he contacted the team Grange.

HE was released form prison a few weeks ago and he allegedly used a cell phone registered to a woman, national of a Balkan country, and resident of Agios Panteleimonas district of Athens.

The man had been banned from living the country pending 2nd degree trial scheduled for next month.

To Vima has reportedly contacted the man in the region of Fthiotida, Central Greece. He admitted to have talked with Scotland Yard detectives who had come to Athens in  order to talk with him.

“I give important information for the case. On the day Madeleine disappeared I was also in the particular province in Portugal, in a neighboring area,” the German national told the newspaper. He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation.

“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

To Vima-reporter’s question about Madeleine’s fate and if he thinks she was still alive, the man replied, ten years have passed since then are a lot..”

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How interesting, we keep coming back to the Phoenicians and the ancient trading/trafficking routes.   All the places highlighted in blue were part of the Phoenician Empire in Greece ... and quite probably are still involved in trafficking and trading.

AIMHO

[sadie]

How interesting, we keep coming back to the Phoenicians and the ancient trading/trafficking routes.   All the places highlighted in blue were part of the Phoenician Empire in Greece ... and quite probably are still involved in trafficking and trading.

AIMHO

However we should be aware that it could be another red herring to take the eye off what is really happening.

[Brietta]

However we should be aware that it could be another red herring to take the eye off what is really happening.

I don't know what to make of it at all, Sadie.

Going by the newspaper date and the release date of the informant, a meeting 'a couple of days ago' etc ... it doesn't appear to be the lead we were told the police were following.

New information?  All has to be checked out to see if it is something or nothing.  Interesting nonetheless.

[sadie]

I don't know what to make of it at all, Sadie.

Going by the newspaper date and the release date of the informant, a meeting 'a couple of days ago' etc ... it doesn't appear to be the lead we were told the police were following.

New information?  All has to be checked out to see if it is something or nothing.  Interesting nonetheless.

I dont know whether to believe it, or not

But it certainly follows some of the pattern that I believe I have pointers for.   People descended from the Phoenicians, pirates, traffickers, etc.

The Op Grange boys on the job will have met him and interrogated him.  Hopefully they will be able to judge whether, or not, he is telling the truth.


He could be a very brave man ... or he could be a stooge   
Fingers crossed that they have benefitted Madeleine and The Mccanns from meeting him. 



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