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Offline Davel

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4110 on: March 05, 2019, 02:09:46 PM »
Thank you SIL. I think everyone knows my obsession is facts, not opinions. I too value Anne's work, and it's thanks to you that I have a better understanding of Luz. I don't know if you go there now, but it seems to me that the Ocean Club has declined ever since Crossland et al sold it due to a lack if investment in infrastructure and in staff.

I've seen you post several opinions as facts
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Offline Lace

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4111 on: March 05, 2019, 02:30:55 PM »
you are missing a lot by not using facebook....I can still use facebook and socialise with poeple in the real world. How do you keep in touch with family in australia...I use FB.....video phone calls ....photographs ..videos ......messaging to keep in touch with my family in australia and around teh world.....it really is quite marvelous...you are missing a lot.

I fail to see how posters can progress the case...particularly if they dont understand the evidence......as i regularly see....

You say you are here for Madeleine....i think you are wrong if you think you can be any help whatsoever...the best chance we have of finding out what hapenned to Maddie is from the two police forces involved..


You forgot Skype wonderful way in which to keep in touch with family/friends.

Offline Davel

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4112 on: March 05, 2019, 02:49:10 PM »

You forgot Skype wonderful way in which to keep in touch with family/friends.

I think skypes, a bit old-fashioned now... Me being a youngster
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4113 on: March 05, 2019, 03:34:14 PM »
No, it isn't why we are all here.

I don't 'socialise' on-line.  That's why I have no Twitter, no Facebook, no Instagram accounts.  I do socialising with real people in real-life situations.

I am on here to find out more about the Madeleine case, start-end. 

Don't get me wrong.  If I were to meet you in person, I would be happy to have a drink with you all.  But not to discuss the case.

For Eleanor, I am interested in life in France, because I have visited for perhaps 7 days in total.  And food banks.  Because we have a tradition in Portugal of buying 'extra' food shopping in Dec/Jan each year, to make sure people less well off have a festive Christmas season as well.  There happens to be a long story behind this, starting around the end of the Medieval period, but this is not a history forum.

For Erngarth, a point I am interested in is her Burns Night menu, because of my interest in cooking.

For CarlyMichelle, I could probe for hours about Australia, which is where I think she lives.  I have real-life friends and relatives in Australia.  I watch A-League footie regularly.  Oddly enough, I have just finished watching a programme about the Bondi Beach lifeguards.  This last bit gave me a tiny sliver of information relevant to Madeleine, despite having nothing to do with her at all.

In the totally unlikely scenario that from the forum we were to group together in person, there's a very small number of people I would invite to my house to discuss Madeleine.  I like cooking.  My kitchen here is pocket handkerchief size.  My dinner table sits 6, so that is myself plus 5 guests.

I have been distanced from one of my guests from this forum, so there is a spare place a-begging. It might well be offered to Misty, who seems quite keen on digging further into the facts.

The forum member currently guaranteed a place is G-Unit, who trawls up relevant facts and information on regular basis.

Outside the forum, there is Anne, who confronts some of my ideas, in a constructive manner.  She forces me to think again.

Please socialise responsibly.  But I am here for one reason only.  Madeleine.

This is an interesting comment.

Food Banks in France go back to the last War, as far as I can gather.  Catholic mainly. There is The Restaurant de Coeur, started by a popular comedienne about twenty five years ago.  This is separate to The Commune Food Banks which are largely funded by The EU.  Portugal should be entitled to this..
The Restaurant de Coeur has trollies in supermarkets sometimes.  I always donate something.  In gratitude mostly.  They also have a fund raiser on television.

I have a Blog.  I never discuss or Blog about The McCann Case.

Offline Davel

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4114 on: March 05, 2019, 03:56:16 PM »
This is an interesting comment.

Food Banks in France go back to the last War, as far as I can gather.  Catholic mainly. There is The Restaurant de Coeur, started by a popular comedienne about twenty five years ago.  This is separate to The Commune Food Banks which are largely funded by The EU.  Portugal should be entitled to this..
The Restaurant de Coeur has trollies in supermarkets sometimes.  I always donate something.  In gratitude mostly.  They also have a fund raiser on television.

I have a Blog.  I never discuss or Blog about The McCann Case.
Many of the large supermarkets here have donation bins fir food banks... But not the Germans.. Lol
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Offline Davel

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4115 on: March 05, 2019, 03:59:32 PM »
No, it isn't why we are all here.

I don't 'socialise' on-line.  That's why I have no Twitter, no Facebook, no Instagram accounts.  I do socialising with real people in real-life situations.

I am on here to find out more about the Madeleine case, start-end. 

Don't get me wrong.  If I were to meet you in person, I would be happy to have a drink with you all.  But not to discuss the case.

For Eleanor, I am interested in life in France, because I have visited for perhaps 7 days in total.  And food banks.  Because we have a tradition in Portugal of buying 'extra' food shopping in Dec/Jan each year, to make sure people less well off have a festive Christmas season as well.  There happens to be a long story behind this, starting around the end of the Medieval period, but this is not a history forum.

For Erngarth, a point I am interested in is her Burns Night menu, because of my interest in cooking.

For CarlyMichelle, I could probe for hours about Australia, which is where I think she lives.  I have real-life friends and relatives in Australia.  I watch A-League footie regularly.  Oddly enough, I have just finished watching a programme about the Bondi Beach lifeguards.  This last bit gave me a tiny sliver of information relevant to Madeleine, despite having nothing to do with her at all.

In the totally unlikely scenario that from the forum we were to group together in person, there's a very small number of people I would invite to my house to discuss Madeleine.  I like cooking.  My kitchen here is pocket handkerchief size.  My dinner table sits 6, so that is myself plus 5 guests.

I have been distanced from one of my guests from this forum, so there is a spare place a-begging. It might well be offered to Misty, who seems quite keen on digging further into the facts.

The forum member currently guaranteed a place is G-Unit, who trawls up relevant facts and information on regular basis.

Outside the forum, there is Anne, who confronts some of my ideas, in a constructive manner.  She forces me to think again.

Please socialise responsibly.  But I am here for one reason only.  Madeleine.

So how do you keep in touch with your family in Australia
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4116 on: March 05, 2019, 04:07:58 PM »
Many of the large supermarkets here have donation bins fir food banks... But not the Germans.. Lol

Went to The Food Bank this afternoon.  Got some Scottish Smoked Salmon, past it's sell by date tomorrow, but who cares about that?  Also some Shrimps, Pork Chops, Beef Burgers, A Tin of Tartiflet, don't ask.  Really good Bread, French.  Pate and lots of French Cheese, which I am not wild about.  No Cheddar, but you can't have it all.

Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4117 on: March 05, 2019, 04:10:23 PM »

CarlyMichelle lives in Tasmania.  Really interesting.  Perhaps she will tell us about it.

Offline Davel

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4118 on: March 05, 2019, 04:49:44 PM »
Went to The Food Bank this afternoon.  Got some Scottish Smoked Salmon, past it's sell by date tomorrow, but who cares about that?  Also some Shrimps, Pork Chops, Beef Burgers, A Tin of Tartiflet, don't ask.  Really good Bread, French.  Pate and lots of French Cheese, which I am not wild about.  No Cheddar, but you can't have it all.

I can see why you prefer 🇫🇷
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Offline Davel

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4119 on: March 05, 2019, 04:51:13 PM »
CarlyMichelle lives in Tasmania.  Really interesting.  Perhaps she will tell us about it.

Next time I'm over that way I'll take her a nice bunch of flowers
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4120 on: March 05, 2019, 04:55:33 PM »
I can see why you prefer 🇫🇷

I have never had it so good.  Britain wouldn't even grant me sick pay on the one occasion I was ill when I was self employed.

My passport has now run out.  Tough.  I won't be renewing it.

Offline Faithlilly

“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

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Offline Faithlilly

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4124 on: March 27, 2019, 01:18:25 AM »
Try this link.
https://thetab.com/uk/2019/03/26/mccann-spokesman-clarence-mitchell-madeleine-96448

This is the interview Misty

When Clarence Mitchell picked up the phone at work one morning, he expected yet another routine conversation.

But it was a phone call that plucked him from the mundane life of a civil service job and dropped him right in the heart of one of the biggest missing children’s cases the world has ever seen. 

An ex-BBC reporter, Mitchell was by then working in a government-led arm on media monitoring, but had asked ex-colleagues to keep him in mind for any big stories that broke. “I thought it might be something like bird flu, or foot and mouth. A general crisis that flares up from time to time,” explains Mitchell.

But this was May 2007, and a three-year-old Madeleine McCann had just been snatched from her hotel room in Praia du Luz, Portugal, taken from her bed while her parents dined in a nearby restaurant.

“The ambassador [to Portugal] had sent a couple of press officers down there, but they were overwhelmed by the media response. He asked for some extra help from London,” Mitchell recalls.

“I was sent out and told it would just be a fortnight or so." But almost 12 years on, Mitchell is still helping the family. Fascination with Madeleine's case has never abated - a new Netflix series, The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, was released two weeks ago - and Mitchell has been handling Gerry and Kate's media dealings ever since.

“Some of the coverage had been very negative, and so I thought this was a chance to help them," the 57-year-old says.

 Gerry and Kate McCann's daughter Madeleine disappeared from a holiday flat in Portugal
Gerry and Kate McCann's daughter Madeleine disappeared from a holiday flat in Portugal CREDIT: PA
“We have a good working relationship. Friendly but professional," he adds. "We do not socialise, it is not necessarily appropriate, but the media coverage is still pretty intrusive and they see me as a part of dealing with it."

Mitchell had to consider the impact that taking on such a case would have on him - his own children were 10, eight and one at the time. “I could not help but think of my kids when I was at the height of it... I was away from home a lot of the time as well," he recalls.

“That said, I treated it as a job. Although it was upsetting, and I could see the pain it was causing the family, I could not afford to get emotionally attached to the situation. I just had to look at the set of facts in front of me, and treat it as dispassionately as possible."

He admits that it was "upsetting," but adds that, "without being callous, I had to keep the actual emotion to one side. Not wanting to sound cold-hearted, but I do not think it has affected me particularly badly. I tried to be as impartial as possible, and still try to this day.”

Over the years, the McCanns have faced a great deal of criticism over their parenting, and perceived role in Madeleine’s disappearance. “A lot of it is misinformed, misguided and based purely on assumptions or lack of knowledge," Mitchell says. Mostly, though, it is "prejudice. People deciding that they don’t like the McCanns.”

 Kate and Gerry McCann
"One of the reasons they were so controlled was because they were told that often the perpetrators enjoy seeing the distress that they have caused' CREDIT: GEOFF PUGH FOR THE TELEGRAPH
Mitchell estimates that "thousands" of people have told him they have seen the little girl in a dream - including a lot of psychics - while "one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I have heard was that Madeleine was born as the result of a government cloning project.

“People also assumed the worst. That [the McCanns] were getting drunk, that they were having fun and that they did not care about their children."

Further criticism of Gerry and Kate has labelled them "neglectful. There is even those who say that the parents know what happened. They don’t. It is just not true. But try explaining that in the noise of social media and general coverage.”

The McCanns' restrained emotional response to the cameras in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance provoked questions: how could they be so contained after something so terrible had happened?

“One of the reasons they were so controlled was because they were told very early on that often, in the case of paedophilic kidnaps, the perpetrators watch media coverage and enjoy seeing the distress that they have caused," Mitchell explains.

 Former senior British Police officer and former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) Jim Gamble, who features in the documentary
Former senior British Police officer and former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) Jim Gamble, who features in the documentary
“So, the police told them not to cry. Not to show any over-emotion. Kate and Gerry, both doctors and both logical, were not going to let that b------ have that satisfaction and so were very rigid.

He understands, though, that “for someone who does not know that, they might think it looks a bit suspicious. It is almost like the public were expecting the parents to react in a certain way.”

Things were worsened still by what he calls "a spin-cycle of madness." The papers were full of "McCann fury", he remembers; "the tabloids exaggerated and distorted the information." He is also critical of the Portuguese authorities, as "there would be certain bits of information that could have only come from interviews with the Portuguese police, who wouldn't then confirm anything due to Portuguese laws prohibiting the discussion of legal cases.”

Since the McCanns entered the public eye in 2007, they have received mountains of abuse; Mitchell, too, has had his fair share of online trolls.

“I get slammed online all the time for defending them," he says, adding that while he ignores it as best he can, "it is hurtful and it is unnecessary. The McCanns ignore the online negativity and so do I. We only act if there are specific, actionable threats which are always reported to the police.”

Certain tabloids have cashed in on public fascination with Madeleine, Mitchell believes, as "every time they put [her] on the front page, circulation would go up" - whether there really were new developments in her case or not. Front page apologies from a number of red tops followed, while "substantial damages" were paid.


A major source of ill feeling towards the McCanns has been the considerable funding the case has received. The Find Madeleine Fund was established in 2007, made up of public donations as well as settlement money from the Express newspaper group, and proceeds from Kate McCann's book.

“The family asked for help in finding their daughter, as anybody would, and the Government chose to support them," Mitchell says, "I do agree though, what do you say to the parent of another missing child? The mother of Ben Needham, for example, has occasionally been upset that the McCanns' case gets so much coverage.”

It is our digital age, however, that Mitchell believes has made all the difference.

“Madeleine has been, arguably, the most high-profile missing child case in the internet era. It was not a decision of our making.”

Nowadays, he does little work with the McCanns, and remains uncertain over Madeleine's fate. “I asked the British authorities what they think happened and if there was any family involvement, and they assured me it was just a rare case of stranger abduction.

“It’s very rare, but it can happen." A sexual motive, he says, is an "obvious" possibility. Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that, as per "other cases, where a missing child has been found alive after many years," there remains hope: that, coupled with "the complete absence of any evidence that Madeleine has been physically harmed," gives them the sense that their eldest daughter may well still be alive.

Though Mitchell hopes the mystery "could all end on one phone call tomorrow, so far, it hasn’t.

“A child was taken to order from that room.”


“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."