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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2017, 08:33:55 PM »
Hall sounds like an archetypal bully:

- Young man in MacDonalds
- Man caught unaware leaving doctors surgery where Hall had an accomplice
- Elderly lady unaware in her own home
- Ex girlfriend claims he was violent towards her


I met Simon Hall after he had murdered Holly - like Bamber, he was at large for some time before being apprehended

Stephanie Bon was also an ex girlfriend of Halls http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6542885.stm

They met in 2001 whilst working together

Whilst I do not disagree with the labels you attach to him "archetypal bully," etc WHY did his family, Stephanoe Bon and others that knew him prior to the murder, not agree with this?

Why did they dismiss this, defend Hall and blame the girlfriends for making things up?

And

WHY did they get behind his claims of innocence and mount a public campaign





« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 09:28:00 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2017, 08:34:54 PM »
I bet he would crap his pants like he claimed he did in his letters.

I do not disagree

Maybe that's why he hung himself
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2017, 08:39:50 PM »
I bet he would crap his pants like he claimed he did in his letters.

Easier to maintain innocence, like Bamber, wouldn't you agree

Hide behind the veil of plausible deniability
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2017, 08:40:51 PM »
Hall sounds like an archetypal bully:

- Young man in MacDonalds
- Man caught unaware leaving doctors surgery where Hall had an accomplice
- Elderly lady unaware in her own home
- Ex girlfriend claims he was violent towards her

I wonder how he would square up to my personal trainer a 6' something ex royal marine?

I wonder if there are other crimes, violent and/or non-violent, he was responsible for that went undetected? 

After all the Zenith burglary went undetected until he confessed. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2017, 09:13:03 PM »
I wonder if there are other crimes, violent and/or non-violent, he was responsible for that went undetected? 

After all the Zenith burglary went undetected until he confessed.

I wonder if there are other crimes, violent and/ or non-violent, Jeremy Bamber was responsible for that either went undetected or were kept quiet by his family - for the sake of appearances

The Zenith burglary was known about by Halls family and others Holly

The Zenith burglary was also listed in the case files but the police didn't appear to link the 2 crimes - the MO's were different
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2017, 09:27:13 PM »
I guess one could ponder why?

Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?

Maybe it's time to call time on mass debating over Simon Hall and accept much will remain unknown possibly even to the perp himself!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2017, 09:31:33 PM »
I guess one could ponder why?

Maybe it's time to call time on mass debating over Simon Hall and accept much will remain unknown possibly even to the perp himself!

I've no idea what you are pondering Holly, I've been attempting to display the similarities between the Hall and the Bamber case

YOU chose to focus on Simon Hall

YOU started the debate - I came here to respond

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8523.msg426317#msg426317
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #82 on: October 23, 2017, 09:33:48 PM »


Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?



What effects did Bambers adoption have on him

What effects did being sent to boarding school at a young age have on him

What effects did his mother have on him

The same applies to his father

Did he have attachment issues/disorder
Did he have a dissociative disorder
Was he pathological

Did he disassociate as a child
Was his emotional growth stunted by trauma

« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 09:36:20 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2017, 09:35:30 PM »
I've no idea what you are pondering Holly, I've been attempting to display the similarities between the Hall and the Bamber case

YOU chose to focus on Simon Hall

YOU started the debate - I came here to respond

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8523.msg426317#msg426317

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8523.msg426648#msg426648
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2017, 09:43:49 PM »
I wonder if there are other crimes, violent and/or non-violent, he was responsible for that went undetected? 

After all the Zenith burglary went undetected until he confessed.

Btw I learned of the Zenith burglary on 5th November 2012

Hall confessed some months later - so you are also wrong when you say "it went undetected until he confessed"

Stephanie Bon knowingly or unknowingly allowed the stolen CD players to go in her garden 2 nights after Hall had murdered

During the time she campaigned for him she publicly claimed he had NEVER burgled

Hall's mother told an ex girlfriend of Shaun Hall that he (Simon) could not have murdered because he was carrying out a burglary elsewhere at the time - or words to that effect

You get me
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 09:48:15 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2017, 10:35:46 PM »
What effects did Bambers adoption have on him

What effects did being sent to boarding school at a young age have on him

What effects did his mother have on him

The same applies to his father

Did he have attachment issues/disorder
Did he have a dissociative disorder
Was he pathological

Did he disassociate as a child
Was his emotional growth stunted by trauma

WHY do ALL of Bambers supporters avoid these facts

More importantly, WHY does BAMBER avoid these facts
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Offline sika

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2017, 11:17:28 PM »
I guess one could ponder why?

Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?

Maybe it's time to call time on mass debating over Simon Hall and accept much will remain unknown possibly even to the perp himself!
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2017, 11:24:08 PM »
Exactly Sika

Why does Holly spend time and energy "pondering" in relation to Simon Hall

But fails to PONDER her list with regards Jeremy Bamber

"Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?


Bamber DOES have form for violence and his prison records will reflect this

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/KILLER+BAMBER'S+BROKEN+BOTTLE+JAIL+ATTACK.-a061330122

"It is not the first time that Bamber

We are only aware of the time he slashed a prisoners dace because it appeared to be leaked to the press - what about other acts on violence during his 32 years behind bars

Anyone seen his OASys reports btw?
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 11:29:05 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2017, 11:29:48 PM »
I found the info re Hall's previous. 

Prosecutor Simon Spence revealed that Hall had previously been sentenced to a total of 17 months at a young offenders' institute for assault causing actual bodily harm and wounding. He was sentenced at Bury St Edmund's Crown Court in June 1997.

He said the assault conviction, which had incurred eight months of the sentence, had happened when Hall approached a young man called Martin Russell in McDonalds in Ipswich, pushed him and asked: "What's all this about your dad accusing me of doing it in his car?"

The victim was left with cuts to his ear needing two stitches, a grazed chin and a cracked tooth on January 13, 1997.

Mr Spence added that on January 6, 1997, Hall lay in wait for a man called Stefan Bell outside a doctor's surgery in Ipswich. He went up and said hello, then for no reason punched him in the face and continued kicking him when he fell to the ground, while a co-defendant hit him over the head with a bottle.

After today's murder verdict, Mrs Justice Rafferty said: "Only one sentence is permitted by law and that is life imprisonment."

But she ordered reports to be prepared before officially proclaiming the sentence.

EX-GIRLFRIEND TELLS OF MOOD SWINGS AND VIOLENCE – two pages of background on the killer and his victim only in TONIGHT'S EVENING STAR.


http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/life-behind-bars-for-capel-killer-1-132809

So Hall was 19 yoa when he first carried out acts of violence which escalated to murder by the time he was 24 yoa.

So what about Bambers quite apparent propensity for violence Holly?



"Mass killer Jeremy Bamber launched a vicious attack on a fellow prisoner with a broken bottle.

He rammed the jagged edges of a sauce bottle into his victim's face and tried to cut off his nose and ears. The inmate's scalp was also cut open.

The Home Office last night pledged an inquiry in the attack by Bamber, jailed for life after slaughtering his family for a pounds 500,000 inheritance.

The victim is believed to be serving a sentence for burglary. He was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery after the attack.

It is not the first time that Bamber, an inmate at Long Lartin top security prison in Worcestershire, has been in trouble in jail. He has been one of the most hated prisoners in Britain since the 1985 killing of his adoptive parents, his sister Sheila and her twin sons.

Last year he was robbed of pounds 1,000-worth of jewellery, cash and personal belongings.

Earlier this year he was briefly removed from Long Lartin for his own safety after surviving a knife attack. He was transferred to Full Sutton jail near York, where he took up martial arts and keep-fit for his own defence.

It is understood the man he attacked with a bottle had tried to pick a fight with him.

A Home Office spokesman said there would be a major investigation.

"There was an incident in the prison which left one prisoner seriously injured," he said.
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