Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?

[Nicholas]

Another similarity With Hall and Bamber -

both received compensation payouts for whiplash injuries whilst in prison

"Bamber's funds were also boosted when he received "thousands of pounds" in compensation for whiplash injuries he received when a lorry crashed into a van moving him between prisons. The prison also paid him compensation when a Gameboy was stolen from his cell.

[Nicholas]

And another:

"A close friend of his, Brett Collins, said Bamber was sexually assaulted when he was 11, around the time he started at Gresham's, and according to Collins, Bamber went on to have sexual relationships with men and women, finding that his good looks and charm made him popular with both.

"Julie Mugford claimed that Jeremy had openly admitted to her “at least one homosexual relationship

"If Jeremy was having a sexual relationship with another man or indeed a woman other than Julie, all this would illustrate was Jeremy’s infidelity and might or might not give some reflection as to his character.

Mugford claimed that Jeremy had been to “New Zealand and there had some type of homosexual relationship with a man named Jeff it is also at this time that he met Brett Collins.” 

 “It was on the 13th of August that Brett Collins, the Homosexual friend of Jeremy’s who had stayed with Jeremy prior to August 1985, returned from a holiday in Greece.”

https://jeremybamber.org/the-inheritance-issue/

Simon Hall, it turned out, was the same (went on to have sexual relationships with men and women), though he denied these allegations until around the time he confessed

A couple of men came forward, making witness statements pre trial, claiming to have had homosexual liaisons with Hall prior to his arrest. Hall denied these. And according to him in 2013, he claimed to have had a sexual liaison with another prisoner whilst serving time on remand and during his time at HMP Swaleside

Hall also alleged he was sexually abused at around the age of 10

Hall also claimed his "good looks and charm" made him popular with men and women

[Nicholas]

Simon Halls prison records showed he was tested for Gonorrhoea around the middle of his sentence

What do Bambers records show?

Risk of violence to others?
Further evidence of his sexual promiscuity?


"Bars and restaurants with active happy hours are especially popular spots for psychopaths to sexually pursue individuals. With the wheels greased with alcohol, men and women alike are more willing to fall prey to the psychopath’s highly calculated strategies to ensnare. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-is-2020/201410/sex-and-the-psychopath


Both Hall and Bamber worked in bars prior to their crimes of murder

[Nicholas]

EX-GIRLFRIEND TELLS OF MOOD SWINGS AND VIOLENCE

What did Jeremy Bambers ex girlfriends have to say about him

Julie Mugford went into details regarding Bamber's mood swings - though I don't recall her referring to them as such

What about violence - didn't he raise his hand to her

You now KNOW he has form for violence - so there's no excusing this anymore

What witness statements has Bamber held back from his supporters, and the publicv that show him in A poor light, because I guarantee you he has

[Nicholas]

And another:

"A close friend of his, Brett Collins, said Bamber was sexually assaulted when he was 11, around the time he started at Gresham's, and according to Collins, Bamber went on to have sexual relationships with men and women, finding that his good looks and charm made him popular with both.

"Julie Mugford claimed that Jeremy had openly admitted to her “at least one homosexual relationship

"If Jeremy was having a sexual relationship with another man or indeed a woman other than Julie, all this would illustrate was Jeremy’s infidelity and might or might not give some reflection as to his character

Simon Hall, it turned out, was the same (went on to have sexual relationships with men and women), though he denied these allegations until around the time he confessed

A couple of men came forward, making witness statements pre trial, claiming to have had homosexual liaisons with Hall prior to his arrest. Hall denied these. And according to him in 2013, he claimed to have had a sexual liaison with another prisoner whilst serving time on remand and during his time at HMP Swaleside

Hall also alleged he was sexually abused at around the age of 10

Hall also claimed his "good looks and charm" made him popular with men and women

Jeremy Bambers website dedicates a whole page to "homophobia" https://jeremybamber.org/the-inheritance-issue/
completely missing the point that it is indeed his character the police were interested.

The police would not have been interested in whether or not he was straight or gay but would have been looking at it from the view point of Bambers pathology.

http://psychopathsandlove.com/a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/

https://www.sott.net/article/291638-How-psychopaths-see-sex-and-why

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/srinivasan-pillay/psychopaths-attachment-sex_b_2679411.html

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/sexual-psychopaths.html

[Nicholas]

Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/22/what-makes-a-child-a-psychopath

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235211000845

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/one-100-children-display-psychopathic-warning-signs-psychiatrist/

[Nicholas]

We know JB admitted to petty crime as did the chief prosecution witness.  This is a world away from violence resulting in a custodial sentence.

How can a convicted mass murderer, serving a whole life term, be convicted of GBH behind bars?

Bamber has a history of violence Holly only you, and his supporters, are choosing to ignore it

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/KILLER+BAMBER'S+BROKEN+BOTTLE+JAIL+ATTACK.-a061330122

What other violent acts has he carried out

[Nicholas]

From Stephanie Hall today:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8726.msg418152.html#msg418152

How many of the experts have a history of violence?  Simon Hall was convicted of violent offences during his youth and spent time in a youth offenders prison long before he murdered Mrs Albert.  This is conveniently overlooked.  Most men don't have convictions for violence.  If they do it's a red flag for most.  Those who choose to play with fire often get burned.         

At Hall's original trial at Norwich crown court, jurors were told that Albert had been the victim of a "sudden, savage and brutal attack" after a burglary attempt went wrong. They heard that Hall, who had previous convictions for violence, had been out drinking with friends in Ipswich and had an alibi for most of the night and following morning, except between 5.30am and 6.15am, which could have corresponded with the time of Albert's death.   

We know JB admitted to petty crime as did the chief prosecution witness.  This is a world away from violence resulting in a custodial sentence.

Lookout posted today on blue
"I'd read some time ago that his arrest at Dover was to do with " previous offences " than the actual murder. When someone has previously offended they're drawn in for questioning on those offences by way of " getting their man " should there be a more present day offence.
This happens when there are so many MOJ's when a person already holds a record for an offence/s that it's " assumed " they're top of the list for further crimes committed.

"Commonly known as giving a dog a bad name.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8844.msg422182.html#msg422182

[Nicholas]

I bet he would crap his pants like he claimed he did in his letters.

Whilst I did not disagree with this Holly. it's probably likely that Hall would have floored your PT instructor

He stood at around 6.2" and was as strong as an ox - I witnessed this in hospital in February 2013

Not only would Hall have possibly floored him he would have more than likely caused your PT instructor serious harm, if not deadly

Your PT instructor would most probably have drawed the line at some point (knowing when to exert his self control), also knowing he could lose his job, for example, if he went too far.

So WHY did Hall choose violence and in the end choose to kill

Same question applies to Bamber

Where did it all go wrong?

[Nicholas]

I bet he would crap his pants like he claimed he did in his letters.

Or maybe he wrote those words for my benefit Holly - so that I'd feel sorry for him?

Toy with my emotions, the same way Bamber does with his unsuspecting victims - "a few comforting words" perhaps

Hall didn't appear to be afraid of anyone

His prison records showed no signs of violence, unlike Bambers

Why are you avoiding ALL my questions Holly - are they too difficult for you to answer perhaps. Your apparent silence speaks volumes as does your moderation of my posts today 

[Nicholas]

Another similarity with the two cases, as Adam has kindly reminded me -

Re Jeremy Bamber
 "135. He told the police that there were occasions when he gained entry to his parents' home by way of a number of the downstairs windows including those in the kitchen and the bathroom. He explained that he used a knife to move the catches in order that the window could be opened from the outside.

Simon Hall was also asked similar questions by police in relation to his parents house and whether or not he ever gained access in or out via another means other than the front or back door.

According to one of his mothers witness statements, Hall had a habit of stealing his fathers car keys to go driving round late at night, whilst the family were asleep. He also had a habit of sneaking out of his bedroom window onto the porch roof in order to not disturb his sleeping parents.

[Nicholas]

Over time though I came to suspect that Simon was not being as honest as he could have been and especially so when he admitted to having broke into Zenith double glazing in Ipswich hours before Mrs Albert was murdered.  This admission was promoted as an alibi but it backfired big time and eventually led to him confessing to what actually happened that morning.

I truly believe that Stephanie was misled by Simon and others who convinced her of his innocence despite his proven propensity to violence. 

With hindsight I've wondered why NGB and indeed Simon Halls ex solicitor, assured me at the time the burglary omission would have had no bearing on his claims of innocence - or something like that. (Will have to dig out the old posts and email correspondence in order to clarify exactly what was said)

Even Michael Naighton and Gabe Tan appeared to be taken in by Simon's excuses

Submissions were made to the CCRC in relations to the burglary omission and if memory serves me correctly, the CCRC were keen to establish if Simon had ever had a knock to the head way back when. Again will need to clarify this by checking old correspondence. But I'm sure that's what they were attempting to establish.

Did this prolong MY denial?

My point being - Were their suggestions given with the best intentions?

(Feel free to email me NGB in order to clear up any confusion and maybe you'll also have the courtesy to explain why you chose to threaten me on a public forum)

[Nicholas]

Imo there is no way the CCRC will ever consider any future submissions from Jeremy Bamber as I'm convinced they are aware of his psychopathy

[Nicholas]

And the conflicting beliefs (aka cognitive bias/dissonance) held by many, if not all, of Bamber's supporters is plain to see



"Cognitive dissonance is a feeling of discomfort when one of our beliefs conflicts with another of our beliefs.

When something we feel is true, is not consistent with something else that our minds know and understand to be a fact, then we experience dissonance. Our minds will attempt to find a way to deal with the discord by rationalizing and by twisting or avoiding reality.

Psychopaths never feel cognitive dissonance because they live in the reality they’ve created.  Reality is plastic for the psychopath.  But for the victims of psychopaths, our lives are filled with cognitive dissonance as the psychopath’s various “realities” clash violently with the reality that we  know.  Because the psychopath exhibits supreme confidence in himself and his beliefs, the victim will doubt themselves more than they doubt the psychopath.  They usually end up giving up their reality and join the psychopath in Never Never Land.
http://180rule.com/definiciones/cognitive-dissonance/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656612001006

https://lovefraud.com/sociopaths-masters-of-using-cognitive-dissonance/

https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/ending-cognitive-dissonance.218/

https://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/a-painful-incredulity-psychopathy-and-cognitive-dissonance/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103112000923

[Holly Goodhead]

Or maybe he wrote those words for my benefit Holly - so that I'd feel sorry for him?

Toy with my emotions, the same way Bamber does with his unsuspecting victims - "a few comforting words" perhaps

Hall didn't appear to be afraid of anyone

His prison records showed no signs of violence, unlike Bambers

Why are you avoiding ALL my questions Holly - are they too difficult for you to answer perhaps. Your apparent silence speaks volumes as does your moderation of my posts today 

Stephanie I explained to you recently why I will not be responding to your posts. 

If you have any issues with me as a poster or in my role as moderator then please take it up via pm with Admin/John.  Please do not bring any such issues onto the open forum.