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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #150 on: April 07, 2018, 12:11:55 PM »
What about the reliability of witness evidence given during his original trial?



"His demeanour is unremarkable when he returns home on 16th to the people who know him best."
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/murder-trial-jury-continue-deliberations-1-58906


"MURDER accused Simon Hall's evidence was a "concoction designed to deceive" a court heard.
Prosecution QC Graham Parkins accused Hall of weaving a web of lies to explain how clothes fibres on his floor matched those found at the Capel St Mary home of murdered pensioner Joan Albert.
Hall, who denies murder, said Mr Parkins was "very much mistaken" and stuck to his story that the fibres could have come from clothes left in his wardrobe by his mother. http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/prosecution-confronts-murder-accused-1-132667


"His mother Lynne could not be contacted but told the East Anglian Daily Times: "I'm absolutely shocked because I know he is innocent and I still believe he is.
"But it's the system. If he had pleaded guilty in the beginning, he would be home now.
"I know he has been really low and in hospital recently. He's given up." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/simon-hall-admits-he-murdered-79-year-old-joan-albert-despite-decade-campaigning-for-miscarriage-of-8751610.html


"The appellant's mother gave evidence in his defence suggesting that she may have been the source of fibres within 8 Snowcroft. Large numbers of the black flock fibres were found in the appellant's wardrobe. Mrs Hall claimed to have stored a black jacket in the appellant's wardrobe http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/Hall/index.html

"Lynne Hall testified at the trial that when her son come home form his night out, there was nothing out of the ordinary, and certainly no blood or any other evidence of violence on him.http://www.bushywood.com/BBC_Rough_Justice.htm


It's interesting to note Scott Lomax appears to have taken down his "Simon Halls Fight for Freedon" piece?

"By the time the police charged Simon Hall they had become outwardly convinced that Joan Albert was murdered during a burglary that had gone wrong. There was a forced entry, with a rear window being smashed, but nothing had seemingly been taken despite the killer curiously having stayed at the scene for some time. Medical examination of the body revealed that Joan’s murderer had bizarrely inflicted wounds upon her after a significant period of time had elapsed following her death. An estimate suggested the unnecessary wounds had been inflicted up to half an hour after the crime, showing the killer had spent some time around the body. This, in addition to the location and nature of wounds on the body, has suggested the possibility the murder was in some way sexually motivated, with the murderer gaining sexual gratification from spending time with the corpse. The crime certainly appears to have a far more sinister element than a simple burglary where the perpetrator was disturbed, panicked and killed as a direct result of that panic.

She was a friend of his mother’s rather than a friend of the family. He did know where she lived, but there is no known reason that Hall would wish to harm his mother’s friend. He also would not want to hurt his mother, whom he had (and still has) a good relationship with, by killing her friend. Hall knew that his mother occasionally visited Joan’s house at night because the victim has been having problems with youths. This, his campaign claims, is an important point. It is important, they believe, because Hall would not have broken into his mother’s friend’s home knowing that it was possible his own mother could be in the building

Hall’s mother, Lynne, is adamant she saw Hall arrive at around 06:00. She had woken up and had been unable to sleep. At around 06:00 she had given up trying to sleep and had gone to make a drink. Whilst she was still making the drink, Hall entered. Of course, one could argue she was mistaken or she had reason to protect her son, but would she lie to protect someone who had killed a close friend? Lynne noticed nothing unusual in her son’s manner or appearance. He chatted with his mother and later that day he was ‘his usual smiley entertaining self’ according to friends. This is hardly the demeanour of a man who had killed as a result of a burglary that had gone wrong and who had just killed his mother’s friend. http://www.mojuk.org.uk/Portia/archive%2012/hall.html

The full article can be found here https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/author/gr8jumper/

Jeremy Bambers supporters are claiming JM lied whilst giving evidence during his murder trial, among other allegations

Who is the consummate actor/actress?

Who has weaved a web of lies?

Who has showed themselves to be manipulative and deceptive?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #151 on: April 07, 2018, 02:27:33 PM »
There have been numerous claims made about JM by supporters of Jeremy Bamber (Notice how Bamber himself says nothing)

Did she lie in court? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,838.0.html

Smear campaigns http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5430.0

False, malicious rumours and misinterpretation of the facts https://jeremybamber.org/julie-mugford/

Would JM pass a lie detector test?  http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=8205.0

Would Simon Hall's mother?

Now the perjury claims http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=9315.15

I will be following any future developments relating to the above with interest (not that I think anything will come of the claims made) but it would be interesting to see how this would impact on Hall's mother, as one example.

Perjury:
"A conviction for perjury cannot be solely based on the evidence of one witness as to the falsity of any statement. There must be some other evidence – eg, a letter written by the defendant contradicting their own evidence. This is sufficient if supported by a single witness. A witness who tells the court something which s/he believes to be untrue – even if it later emerges to be true after all – is still guilty of perjury https://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/perverting-the-course-of-justice/

Well there's the Zenith burglary evidence and the letter Hall's mother wrote to her son following the CCRC referral back to the COA.. And the letters she wrote to him pre-trial, whilst he was on remand.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #152 on: April 08, 2018, 12:22:05 PM »
If no answer is forthcoming, then my default assumption will be that there was no confession and everything said about him on here is, ergo, voided.

You've still yet to tell us why you were in prison. How many convictions do you have and what are they for?

And if you are applying this logic and reasoning to the Bamber case, which I think you are - everything you state is equally null and void. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #153 on: April 08, 2018, 12:43:02 PM »
You've still yet to tell us why you were in prison. How many convictions do you have and what are they for?

And if you are applying this logic and reasoning to the Bamber case, which I think you are - everything you state is equally null and void.

Based on what LM has said about being charged with terrorist offences, spending time in prison, having his/her then long hair pulled and his/her interest in whether SH's confession was reliable, I'm assuming he/she might be a survivor of a MoJ.  Probably from the days of Irish republican terror groups on mainland UK.  If so this might account for the fact he/she can get quite irate at times.     
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #154 on: April 08, 2018, 12:54:22 PM »
Based on what LM has said about being charged with terrorist offences, spending time in prison, having his/her then long hair pulled and his/her interest in whether SH's confession was reliable, I'm assuming he/she might be a survivor of a MoJ.  Probably from the days of Irish republican terror groups on mainland UK.  If so this might account for the fact he/she can get quite irate at times.   

Ive no idea Holly, hence why I've asked the questions I have. I haven't assumed anything. I am doing my best to take what they say on face value but they have the advantage of annonimity, on that basis, they could be making it all up?

Yesterday LM posted on blue and I quote:
"Just look at the posts today from F.uckwit Steve, the mentally-challenged retard and Everybody's Friend who thinks the silencer links Bamber to the scene of the crime.
Please!
Just delete my account. 
These forums don't help anybody.  This is NOT a case for taking sides.
Tribalism stunts the brain.  In Steve's case, it's retarded him.


Under the topic header, which they started I might add: "Q : PLEASE IN THE NAME OF CHRIST DELETE MY ACCOUNT "

but after throwing their toys out the pram, they came back? Go figure? No apology, no explanation. Just carried on regardless. And they didn't factor Lookout into the equation either. Here lies their flaw.

There's no doubt they have anger issues of some description? Why I don't know? It's only an Internet forum.

And you have to ask yourself why are they insisting our posts remain and not be deleted,not that I ask my posts to be deleted, but then DEMAND there's are deleted? They contradict their own reasoning? Bit of a contradiction in terms isn't it? Mixed messages? Another red flag imho. Rules for one and rules for another. How's that fair?

I should add, because of your following post on blue:

"The anti-Bamber people are obnoxious and full of themselves and don't like questions being asked - cases in point are, regrettably, found on this Forum. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9320.msg436614.html#msg436614

Ditto! I thought the very same thing of you. There are numerous questions of mine you have chosen to ignore, and to quote yourself - "cases in point are, regrettably, found on this forum.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #155 on: April 08, 2018, 08:36:24 PM »
Yesterday LM posted on blue and I quote:
"Just look at the posts today from F.uckwit Steve, the mentally-challenged retard and Everybody's Friend who thinks the silencer links Bamber to the scene of the crime.
Please!
Just delete my account. 
These forums don't help anybody.  This is NOT a case for taking sides.
Tribalism stunts the brain.  In Steve's case, it's retarded him.


Under the topic header, which they started I might add: "Q : PLEASE IN THE NAME OF CHRIST DELETE MY ACCOUNT "

but after throwing their toys out the pram, they came back? Go figure? No apology, no explanation. Just carried on regardless. And they didn't factor Lookout into the equation either. Here lies their flaw.

There's no doubt they have anger issues of some description? Why I don't know? It's only an Internet forum.

And you have to ask yourself why are they insisting our posts remain and not be deleted,not that I ask my posts to be deleted, but then DEMAND there's are deleted? They contradict their own reasoning? Bit of a contradiction in terms isn't it? Mixed messages? Another red flag imho. Rules for one and rules for another. How's that fair?

I should add, because of your following post on blue:

"The anti-Bamber people are obnoxious and full of themselves and don't like questions being asked - cases in point are, regrettably, found on this Forum. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9320.msg436614.html#msg436614

Ditto! I thought the very same thing of you. There are numerous questions of mine you have chosen to ignore, and to quote yourself - "cases in point are, regrettably, found on this forum.

LM stated here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9345.msg436610.html#msg436610
 "I am happy for these personal attacks to remain posted on the board, but if it continues, I will make an issue of your privilege to post here.  It's clear you have no interest in discussing this case from a point-of-view of neutrality and objectivity and, in my view, you are not very intelligent and your presence here is not constructive.


And here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9345.msg436610.html#msg436610
"Most of you here have been discussing this case for years, whereas I've only been looking at it on and off for a few weeks, yet I have better understanding of it than you do.  What does that tell you?


What do YOU think it tells us LM?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #156 on: April 09, 2018, 12:03:48 PM »
The following outlines the position:

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/employment/fees/medical-records

What useful info do you think they might have provided for the police/prosecution and defence?

Or, you could look at it this way;

What useful information do you think Simon Hall's mother Lynne could have provided in relation to her son, to the police, during their investigation into the murder of her friend?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg455935#msg455935

You choose to dismiss JM's evidence against Bamber but have you ever stopped to consider she was telling the truth and that Bamber is as guilty as sin? You would of course have to accept you've been conned, which isn't easy, I know. But look at the alternative. What if Bamber confesses like Hall eventually did?

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #157 on: April 09, 2018, 12:53:15 PM »
Or, you could look at it this way;

What useful information do you think Simon Hall's mother Lynne could have provided in relation to her son, to the police, during their investigation into the murder of her friend?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg455935#msg455935

I've absolutely no idea.  My knowledge of SH's case is near zero. 
 
You choose to dismiss JM's evidence against Bamber but have you ever stopped to consider she was telling the truth and that Bamber is as guilty as sin? You would of course have to accept you've been conned, which isn't easy, I know. But look at the alternative. What if Bamber confesses like Hall eventually did?

I disregard JM's testimony because it contains nothing of evidential value and parts of it are just plain wrong ie factually incorrect.  Anti JB people will say JB fed her untruths so if she told others she wouldn't be believed! 

If JB confesses I wouldn't see myself as being conned.  I would have to question my own decision making skills etc.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #158 on: April 09, 2018, 10:27:13 PM »
LM stated here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9345.msg436610.html#msg436610
 "I am happy for these personal attacks to remain posted on the board, but if it continues, I will make an issue of your privilege to post here.  It's clear you have no interest in discussing this case from a point-of-view of neutrality and objectivity and, in my view, you are not very intelligent and your presence here is not constructive.


And here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9345.msg436610.html#msg436610
"Most of you here have been discussing this case for years, whereas I've only been looking at it on and off for a few weeks, yet I have better understanding of it than you do.  What does that tell you?


What do YOU think it tells us LM?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9273.msg452471#msg452471

Bamber's been on a wind up for 33 years. It's all smoke and mirrors. There are far more deserving cases.
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Offline LuminousWanderer

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #159 on: April 10, 2018, 05:27:23 PM »
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/capel-st-mary-killer-simon-hall-admits-guilt-but-he-didn-t-confess-to-authorities-first-1-2326816

Thanks - but that does not confirm that he made a reliable confession.  It's helpful so far as it goes, but it's a local newspaper, which is not an authoritative source.

I am happy to drop the point because the case is not of much interest to me, but I am always cautious about confessions from people who have maintained long-term denial of the offence.  I have very good reason to be cautious.  To me, a reliable confession would be a signed and dated statement, given in the presence of a responsible party such as the police, a regulated lawyer or a prison governor, etc., and only after being cautioned about one's rights and the incriminating nature of the statement to be signed; in the statement, the offender should admit how, why, where and when he carried out the relevant acts, and add any other relevant information.  Anything short of that may not be reliable - though it does depend on the circumstances, and I don't know (and have no wish to inquire further of) the circumstances here.  All I can say is that I am very sorry to hear about the lady who was killed, I hope she did not suffer, I offer my condolences to her family - and I hope Simon Hall at last found peace.

Offline LuminousWanderer

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #160 on: April 10, 2018, 05:44:39 PM »
Based on what LM has said about being charged with terrorist offences, spending time in prison, having his/her then long hair pulled and his/her interest in whether SH's confession was reliable, I'm assuming he/she might be a survivor of a MoJ.  Probably from the days of Irish republican terror groups on mainland UK.  If so this might account for the fact he/she can get quite irate at times.   

Organised crime and terrorism.  It's not clever and it's nothing to be proud of.  It does mean I have some unique experiences: including being cross-examined by leading QCs, being sentenced by the top judges to all-expenses paid holidays in some of Her Majesty's Most Salubrious Establishments, serving time among some of the most dangerous offenders and around the dispersal prisons - including in Close Supervision Centres as a Category AA offender - knife/razor fights with prisoners, the list goes on.  (Note: I never met or knew of Jeremy Bamber).

Being convicted of something you didn't do is an occupational hazard for serious criminals at that level and normally happens not because the police are malicious or corrupt, but simply because diligent police officers can fit the evidence around known criminals - and if I'm honest, the criminals have no cause for complaint.  That's the way it is in the real world.  You have to take the rough with the smooth.

Occasionally I would encounter an earnest middle-class person (either a fellow prisoner or some well-intentioned professional) who would say: "You really MUST appeal!"  I would laugh at the naiveté.  You choose to be a criminal, then you can take responsibility for the consequences, fair or not.

I have no ill-feeling towards the criminal justice system or the police or judges, and I will defend them when appropriate.  I remain entirely neutral on the question of Bamber's culpability.  I have no axe to grind whatsoever.

If I get irate, then I apologise, but that's not because of my background.  I am actually quite an erudite person, if I may say so.  Rather, it's because I'm human and the way these discussions go and how posters sometimes behave.  I strongly dislike people who bring dogmas and tribal psychology into what should be strictly legal science.

That's all about me.  If I come on here, it will be because I want to discuss relevant aspects of the case, not my memoirs.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #161 on: April 10, 2018, 07:13:33 PM »
Organised crime and terrorism.  It's not clever and it's nothing to be proud of.  It does mean I have some unique experiences: including being cross-examined by leading QCs, being sentenced by the top judges to all-expenses paid holidays in some of Her Majesty's Most Salubrious Establishments, serving time among some of the most dangerous offenders and around the dispersal prisons - including in Close Supervision Centres as a Category AA offender - knife/razor fights with prisoners, the list goes on.  (Note: I never met or knew of Jeremy Bamber).

Being convicted of something you didn't do is an occupational hazard for serious criminals at that level and normally happens not because the police are malicious or corrupt, but simply because diligent police officers can fit the evidence around known criminals - and if I'm honest, the criminals have no cause for complaint.  That's the way it is in the real world.  You have to take the rough with the smooth.

Occasionally I would encounter an earnest middle-class person (either a fellow prisoner or some well-intentioned professional) who would say: "You really MUST appeal!"  I would laugh at the naiveté.  You choose to be a criminal, then you can take responsibility for the consequences, fair or not.

I have no ill-feeling towards the criminal justice system or the police or judges, and I will defend them when appropriate.  I remain entirely neutral on the question of Bamber's culpability.  I have no axe to grind whatsoever.

If I get irate, then I apologise, but that's not because of my background.   I am actually quite an erudite person, if I may say so.  Rather, it's because I'm human and the way these discussions go and how posters sometimes behave.  I strongly dislike people who bring dogmas and tribal psychology into what should be strictly legal science.

That's all about me.  If I come on here, it will be because I want to discuss relevant aspects of the case, not my memoirs.

Your eruditeness speaks for itself.

My argument is that Bamber is equally clued up but he's slipped up over the years, giving away numerous clues to his character, motives, guilt etc and because of the "dogmas and tribal psychology" to which you refer, he too has found this a stumbling block amongst his supporters/campaign team. Though this won't have been the case with his legal teams;at least not as heightened as it appears with those he's been closest too, friends, acquaintances ..

Because he is high up on the psychopathy spectrum and IMO guilty (I concede, you have laid out the case against him well and I see it that way also, apart from JM"s evidence, hence why at times I too can appear irate), his slip ups are big give aways as to what's lurking beneath his facade.

"I strongly dislike people who bring dogmas and tribal psychology into what should be strictly legal science." I sense that from Bamber also. But what I've witnessed with him over the years, is he plays people off against each other and because of their irrational beliefs and behaviours, they end up showing the other side to Bamber.

The other main points are he appears unable to take responsibility and appears incapable of self reflection.

He just doesn't seem to care. He doesn't give a toss. He knows the words but not the music.

You could argue that I'm bias because of my experiences but I don't believe all those who are fighting to clear their names are of the same make-up as Bamber and Hall. Prior to prison, both men had sexual relationships with men as well as women. Their need to dominate others is apparent.

"The psychopaths (anti social personality disordered) extreme ego-centeredness is consistent with his shallow emotions, absence of empathy, and ongoing use of others by manipulating or forcing them to support him

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on those criminals who are not of normal criminal elememt and how they are they treated by their fellow inmates.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #162 on: April 11, 2018, 11:49:31 AM »
What about the reliability of witness evidence given during his original trial?



"His demeanour is unremarkable when he returns home on 16th to the people who know him best."
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/murder-trial-jury-continue-deliberations-1-58906


"MURDER accused Simon Hall's evidence was a "concoction designed to deceive" a court heard.
Prosecution QC Graham Parkins accused Hall of weaving a web of lies to explain how clothes fibres on his floor matched those found at the Capel St Mary home of murdered pensioner Joan Albert.
Hall, who denies murder, said Mr Parkins was "very much mistaken" and stuck to his story that the fibres could have come from clothes left in his wardrobe by his mother. http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/prosecution-confronts-murder-accused-1-132667


"His mother Lynne could not be contacted but told the East Anglian Daily Times: "I'm absolutely shocked because I know he is innocent and I still believe he is.
"But it's the system. If he had pleaded guilty in the beginning, he would be home now.
"I know he has been really low and in hospital recently. He's given up." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/simon-hall-admits-he-murdered-79-year-old-joan-albert-despite-decade-campaigning-for-miscarriage-of-8751610.html


"The appellant's mother gave evidence in his defence suggesting that she may have been the source of fibres within 8 Snowcroft. Large numbers of the black flock fibres were found in the appellant's wardrobe. Mrs Hall claimed to have stored a black jacket in the appellant's wardrobe http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/Hall/index.html

"Lynne Hall testified at the trial that when her son come home form his night out, there was nothing out of the ordinary, and certainly no blood or any other evidence of violence on him.http://www.bushywood.com/BBC_Rough_Justice.htm


It's interesting to note Scott Lomax appears to have taken down his "Simon Halls Fight for Freedon" piece?

"By the time the police charged Simon Hall they had become outwardly convinced that Joan Albert was murdered during a burglary that had gone wrong. There was a forced entry, with a rear window being smashed, but nothing had seemingly been taken despite the killer curiously having stayed at the scene for some time. Medical examination of the body revealed that Joan’s murderer had bizarrely inflicted wounds upon her after a significant period of time had elapsed following her death. An estimate suggested the unnecessary wounds had been inflicted up to half an hour after the crime, showing the killer had spent some time around the body. This, in addition to the location and nature of wounds on the body, has suggested the possibility the murder was in some way sexually motivated, with the murderer gaining sexual gratification from spending time with the corpse. The crime certainly appears to have a far more sinister element than a simple burglary where the perpetrator was disturbed, panicked and killed as a direct result of that panic.

She was a friend of his mother’s rather than a friend of the family. He did know where she lived, but there is no known reason that Hall would wish to harm his mother’s friend. He also would not want to hurt his mother, whom he had (and still has) a good relationship with, by killing her friend. Hall knew that his mother occasionally visited Joan’s house at night because the victim has been having problems with youths. This, his campaign claims, is an important point. It is important, they believe, because Hall would not have broken into his mother’s friend’s home knowing that it was possible his own mother could be in the building

Hall’s mother, Lynne, is adamant she saw Hall arrive at around 06:00. She had woken up and had been unable to sleep. At around 06:00 she had given up trying to sleep and had gone to make a drink. Whilst she was still making the drink, Hall entered. Of course, one could argue she was mistaken or she had reason to protect her son, but would she lie to protect someone who had killed a close friend? Lynne noticed nothing unusual in her son’s manner or appearance. He chatted with his mother and later that day he was ‘his usual smiley entertaining self’ according to friends. This is hardly the demeanour of a man who had killed as a result of a burglary that had gone wrong and who had just killed his mother’s friend. http://www.mojuk.org.uk/Portia/archive%2012/hall.html

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #163 on: April 11, 2018, 12:04:20 PM »

And here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9345.msg436610.html#msg436610
"Most of you here have been discussing this case for years, whereas I've only been looking at it on and off for a few weeks, yet I have better understanding of it than you do.  What does that tell you?


What do YOU think it tells us LM?

What does it tell us of Jeremy Bamber?

Why does he knowingly allow his campaign team, and others, to spread propaganda? (I don't blame them, they have been misled and conned by him to do his bidding)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #164 on: April 11, 2018, 01:09:19 PM »
Organised crime and terrorism.  It's not clever and it's nothing to be proud of.  It does mean I have some unique experiences: including being cross-examined by leading QCs, being sentenced by the top judges to all-expenses paid holidays in some of Her Majesty's Most Salubrious Establishments, serving time among some of the most dangerous offenders and around the dispersal prisons - including in Close Supervision Centres as a Category AA offender - knife/razor fights with prisoners, the list goes on.  (Note: I never met or knew of Jeremy Bamber).

Being convicted of something you didn't do is an occupational hazard for serious criminals at that level and normally happens not because the police are malicious or corrupt, but simply because diligent police officers can fit the evidence around known criminals - and if I'm honest, the criminals have no cause for complaint.  That's the way it is in the real world.  You have to take the rough with the smooth.

Occasionally I would encounter an earnest middle-class person (either a fellow prisoner or some well-intentioned professional) who would say: "You really MUST appeal!"  I would laugh at the naiveté.  You choose to be a criminal, then you can take responsibility for the consequences, fair or not.

I have no ill-feeling towards the criminal justice system or the police or judges, and I will defend them when appropriate.  I remain entirely neutral on the question of Bamber's culpability.  I have no axe to grind whatsoever.

If I get irate, then I apologise, but that's not because of my background.  I am actually quite an erudite person, if I may say so.  Rather, it's because I'm human and the way these discussions go and how posters sometimes behave.  I strongly dislike people who bring dogmas and tribal psychology into what should be strictly legal science.

That's all about me.  If I come on here, it will be because I want to discuss relevant aspects of the case, not my memoirs.

What are your views on this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43722948 I'd be interested to hear them

Slightly off topic I know but we now know both Bamber and Hall were burglars - although neither have/had convictions, they both admitted they were guilty of burglary
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation