Operation Grange methodology.

[jassi]

When Operation Grange was set up, how would they have conducted the review stage?
Presumably the team of 30 would contain a number of low-grade data inputers & the like, so who would actually  review the material? Would it be the SIO alone, or working with a small team?
If several people were involved, how would they determine what was significant and worth pursuing further?

I’ve never seen a discussion on how they would tackle the problem

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[Alice Purjorick]

When Operation Grange was set up, how would they have conducted the review stage?
Presumably the team of 30 would contain a number of low-grade data inputers & the like, so who would actually  review the material? Would it be the SIO alone, or working with a small team?
If several people were involved, how would they determine what was significant and worth pursuing further?

I’ve never seen a discussion on how they would tackle the problem

I guess the start point would be to have everything that is not in English translated into English then enter every last piece of data into suitable computer using your software package of choice to make data manipulation easier.
All that is no mean achievement in its own right, demanding manhours to the power of lots.

[G-Unit]

It says in the remit that it will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure. A Gold Commander seems to be a bit like a General. He decides what the strategy should be.

The Silver Commander decides what tactics should be used and the Bronze Commander carries out the tasks identified by the Silver Commander.  The Bronze Commander(s) controls and directs the resources. Each level knows what the level above them is trying to achieve.

The 'resources' will include personnel. They will be told only what they need to know to achieve whatever task they have been given, in my opinion.

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/operations/command-and-control/command-structures/

I have two names who were involved at the beginning. Foy would be higher in the structure than Redwood. ;

Commander Simon Foy Head of Homicide (now retired)
DCI Redwood

[pathfinder73]

[G-Unit]

Thanks, Pathfinder, that was the name I couldn't remember. So originally the Command Structure may have looked like this;

No 1 Simon Foy
No 2 Hamish Campbell
No 3 Andy Redwood.

[Alice Purjorick]

Thanks, Pathfinder, that was the name I couldn't remember. So originally the Command Structure may have looked like this;

No 1 Simon Foy
No 2 Hamish Campbell
No 3 Andy Redwood.

 "Every police investigation or review of a serious crime has an investigation co-ordinator, known as the Senior Investigating Officer (SIO), and a deputy, called the Investigating Officer (IO). The role of the SIO is to set an investigation strategy and to decide and obtain the resources he needs to do  the work required – in this case, a review. The job of the IO is basically to carry out the agreed strategy and to direct operations.

Sir Paul Stephenson decided to appoint one Hamish Campbell as the SIO, with an additional requirement for the SIO to present his report to one Simon Foy. Andy Redwood, a Detective Chief Inspector, was appointed as the IO. Before long, Campbell and Redwood determined that they would need a staff of around 35 to 40 to carry out the review".


OG REmit etc in here: http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/57jan12/Metropolitan_04_01_2012.htm

[G-Unit]

"Every police investigation or review of a serious crime has an investigation co-ordinator, known as the Senior Investigating Officer (SIO), and a deputy, called the Investigating Officer (IO). The role of the SIO is to set an investigation strategy and to decide and obtain the resources he needs to do  the work required – in this case, a review. The job of the IO is basically to carry out the agreed strategy and to direct operations.

Sir Paul Stephenson decided to appoint one Hamish Campbell as the SIO, with an additional requirement for the SIO to present his report to one Simon Foy. Andy Redwood, a Detective Chief Inspector, was appointed as the IO. Before long, Campbell and Redwood determined that they would need a staff of around 35 to 40 to carry out theOG REmit etc in here:
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/57jan12/Metropolitan_04_01_2012.htm

That's the key bit, I think. Campbell's job, imo, was to find and carry out investigative opportunities within the evidence they had gathered together.  Because of these words "as if the abduction occurred in the UK" it can be assumed that they would only be following leads relating to an abduction.

The question is, who decided that it was an abduction and why? This is Foy's position in the hierarchy;

Name:   Commander Simon Foy
Position:   Head of Homicide and Serious Crime Command, Specialist Crime Directorate
Key responsibilities:   Strategic responsibility for the investigation of homicides and other serious crimes in London.

He would report to;

Name:   Deputy Assistant Commissioner Janet Williams
Position:   Head of Intelligence and Covert Policing, Specialist Crime Directorate
Key responsibilities:   SCD Operational Command of Covert Policing, Homicide, Child Abuse, Fraud, Extradition, Drugs Directorate, Kidnap, E-Crime, Human Trafficking, MIB, Operation Information Services, Trident, Shootings, Flying Squad. Gold command major high profile investigations. She is also Chair of Corporate Tasking and ACPO lead for e-crime.

She reported to;

Assistant Commissioner John Yates

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20081107214057/http://www.met.police.uk/scd/about/leadership.htm

John Yates' head rolled;

He resigned in July 2011 over criticism of a July 2009 review he carried out of the 2006 police investigation of the News of the World royal phone hacking scandal.


At present A C Mark Rowley appears to have replaced John Yates. 

https://www.met.police.uk/globalassets/foi-media/who_we_are_and_what_we_do/corporate/mps_organisational_chart_october2017.pdf

[jassi]

That's the key bit, I think. Campbell's job, imo, was to find and carry out investigative opportunities within the evidence they had gathered together.  Because of these words "as if the abduction occurred in the UK" it can be assumed that they would only be following leads relating to an abduction.

The question is, who decided that it was an abduction and why? This is Foy's position in the hierarchy;

Name:   Commander Simon Foy
Position:   Head of Homicide and Serious Crime Command, Specialist Crime Directorate
Key responsibilities:   Strategic responsibility for the investigation of homicides and other serious crimes in London.

He would report to;

Name:   Deputy Assistant Commissioner Janet Williams
Position:   Head of Intelligence and Covert Policing, Specialist Crime Directorate
Key responsibilities:   SCD Operational Command of Covert Policing, Homicide, Child Abuse, Fraud, Extradition, Drugs Directorate, Kidnap, E-Crime, Human Trafficking, MIB, Operation Information Services, Trident, Shootings, Flying Squad. Gold command major high profile investigations. She is also Chair of Corporate Tasking and ACPO lead for e-crime.

She reported to;

Assistant Commissioner John Yates

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20081107214057/http://www.met.police.uk/scd/about/leadership.htm

John Yates' head rolled;

He resigned in July 2011 over criticism of a July 2009 review he carried out of the 2006 police investigation of the News of the World royal phone hacking scandal.


At present A C Mark Rowley appears to have replaced John Yates. 

https://www.met.police.uk/globalassets/foi-media/who_we_are_and_what_we_do/corporate/mps_organisational_chart_october2017.pdf

Is this something that might go as high as the Home Office ?
As they were ordering a review, they were likely to want input into the terms of reference.
Certainly sounds as if it would be a high-level decision.  IMO


Interesting also that Redwood and later Wall were quite low in the decision-making process.

[G-Unit]

Is this something that might go as high as the Home Office ?
As they were ordering a review, they were likely to want input into the terms of reference.
Certainly sounds as if it would be a high-level decision.  IMO


Interesting also that Redwood and later Wall were quite low in the decision-making process.

The Gold Command structure doesn't always include all 3 elements (GSB), but it can and it can also include very high level input;

Depending on the needs of the situation, the command structure may or may not include all elements of GSB. Similarly, it may also involve local or basic command unit police officers and staff, partner agencies and, ultimately, the government.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/operations/command-and-control/command-structures/

Operation Grange was run under this structure, so there was the possibility of governmental involvement. DCI Redwood wasn't, in my opinion, even Amaral's equivalent, that was probably Campbell.

[Alice Purjorick]

That's the key bit, I think. Campbell's job, imo, was to find and carry out investigative opportunities within the evidence they had gathered together.  Because of these words "as if the abduction occurred in the UK" it can be assumed that they would only be following leads relating to an abduction.

The question is, who decided that it was an abduction and why? This is Foy's position in the hierarchy;

Name:   Commander Simon Foy
Position:   Head of Homicide and Serious Crime Command, Specialist Crime Directorate
Key responsibilities:   Strategic responsibility for the investigation of homicides and other serious crimes in London.

He would report to;

Name:   Deputy Assistant Commissioner Janet Williams
Position:   Head of Intelligence and Covert Policing, Specialist Crime Directorate
Key responsibilities:   SCD Operational Command of Covert Policing, Homicide, Child Abuse, Fraud, Extradition, Drugs Directorate, Kidnap, E-Crime, Human Trafficking, MIB, Operation Information Services, Trident, Shootings, Flying Squad. Gold command major high profile investigations. She is also Chair of Corporate Tasking and ACPO lead for e-crime.

She reported to;

Assistant Commissioner John Yates

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20081107214057/http://www.met.police.uk/scd/about/leadership.htm

John Yates' head rolled;

He resigned in July 2011 over criticism of a July 2009 review he carried out of the 2006 police investigation of the News of the World royal phone hacking scandal.


At present A C Mark Rowley appears to have replaced John Yates. 

https://www.met.police.uk/globalassets/foi-media/who_we_are_and_what_we_do/corporate/mps_organisational_chart_october2017.pdf

I have always held the view that it was an unfortunate not to mention careless typo as it does not jibe [or jive if you prefer] with other terminology used in the blurb put out by The MPS.
For instance "disappearance" and "a review of the whole of the investigations...."

[G-Unit]

I have always held the view that it was an unfortunate not to mention careless typo as it does not jibe [or jive if you prefer] with other terminology used in the blurb put out by The MPS.
For instance "disappearance" and "a review of the whole of the investigations...."

Colin Sutton, allegedly, was warned of the restrictive remit. If he hadn't been warned, when would he have been told? The fact that he was warned suggests he wouldn't have been told until after he accepted the job.

So how many people knew that the investigation was going to be restricted before they signed up for it?

The DCI who took it on seems an odd choice. I can find no details of his expertise or previous successes. He is now working here;

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/competition-and-markets-authority

In the Cartels and Criminal Group as a Deputy Team Leader.

[Alice Purjorick]

Colin Sutton, allegedly, was warned of the restrictive remit. If he hadn't been warned, when would he have been told? The fact that he was warned suggests he wouldn't have been told until after he accepted the job.

So how many people knew that the investigation was going to be restricted before they signed up for it?

The DCI who took it on seems an odd choice. I can find no details of his expertise or previous successes. He is now working here;

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/competition-and-markets-authority

In the Cartels and Criminal Group as a Deputy Team Leader.

Rightly or wrongly I view Colin Sutton as just another "Major Bob" who sits on a red sofa in a TV studio occasionally and gives quotes to the media.
Anyway the killer is that in this instance The Met are only gofers for the PJ so how do they swing it?

[Brietta]

Rightly or wrongly I view Colin Sutton as just another "Major Bob" who sits on a red sofa in a TV studio occasionally and gives quotes to the media.
Anyway the killer is that in this instance The Met are only gofers for the PJ so how do they swing it?

I agree with both opinions you've expressed in your post, Alice.

[pathfinder73]

To confirm what games police can play.

"They appealed for information about a grey or silver car - Pacteau had a grey Ford Focus - seen driving around the roads between Milngavie and Drymen, north of the city, between 11am and 3pm on the Monday but they did not link it to Pacteau and repeatedly stressed he was not a suspect.

It was almost as if the police were trying to lull him into a false sense of security that he was not the focus of their investigation, even though he was the last confirmed person to have seen the missing woman alive when he walked beside her outside the nightclub."

"A sniffer dog used to seek out cadavers confirmed a body had been in Pacteau’s car and forensic tests established it had been that of Ms Buckley."

Karen Buckley: How Alexander Pacteau killed her and tried to destroy her body
Major police operation traced the killer’s movements in the days after the murder
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/karen-buckley-how-alexander-pacteau-killed-her-and-tried-to-destroy-her-body-1.2313484

[G-Unit]

Rightly or wrongly I view Colin Sutton as just another "Major Bob" who sits on a red sofa in a TV studio occasionally and gives quotes to the media.
Anyway the killer is that in this instance The Met are only gofers for the PJ so how do they swing it?

Leaving Sutton aside, then;

Redwood seems to have appeared out of nowhere in May 2009 when he joined the Met. I don't know where he worked before that. I don't know what he did between May 2009 and May 2011. If he's a seasoned detective I can find no record of it. The Met don't appear to have put their finest on this job. they appear to have put someone with no experience. Operation Grange seems to be his only major case.

Surely there were other DCI's who had experience and expertise?