Operation Grange methodology.

[Mr Gray]

Nor that it is true.

thats your opinion...it may well be true and imo it is true

[stephen25000]

As a reminder, B. Hogan Howe, in his Freudian Slip, let slip this was a murder inquiry.

Isn't Rowley, inadvertently, by saying '90%' saying the same thing ?

Mind you SY messed up the Dando case, and ignored evidence from witnesses.

[stephen25000]

Once again what about where they have no jurisdiction?

Good question.

[barrier]

More importantly if evidence is ignored because it  doesn't fit the current theory.

Something along those lines happened in the Yorkshire Ripper case

At the back end of the summer there was an excellent tv programme imo featuring Manchester police murder squad,one particular thing sticks in the mind,a leading detective said that you do not guide the story,the evidence leads the story.

[barrier]

thats your opinion...it may well be true and imo it is true

OG imo can carry on investigating an abduction until the cows come home,gone out and come home again,unless it ends up in court,thats what it remain's an opinion.

[Mr Gray]

At the back end of the summer there was an excellent tv programme imo featuring Manchester police murder squad,one particular thing sticks in the mind,a leading detective said that you do not guide the story,the evidence leads the story.

and thats exactly what SY have done imo......

[barrier]

and thats exactly what SY have done imo......

Cite?

[barrier]

and thats exactly what SY have done imo......

A world of difference imo,the tv series was not put on air until after convictions were secured,OG are treating the McCann case like some soap opera imo.

[jassi]

A world of difference imo,the tv series was not put on air until after convictions were secured,OG are treating the McCann case like some soap opera imo.

Or a money tree.

[barrier]

You certainly can't.

I suspect that ultimately OG will bring in their spin people and and claim that they have not been able to identify an abductor, rather than admit that there was no real evidence of  one in the first place.

I've had that view for sometime,still not seen any thing that leads me to deviate from it,person/persons unknown removed Madeleine from 5a leaving no trace of her whereabouts is how it will end imo.

[Benice]

There is no evidence showing that they did that either. What there is suggests they didn't, in my opinion.

David Cameron; Operation Grange was to help the parents.
Sir Paul Stephenson; he knew they were innocent once he met them.
The remit; abduction.
A C Rowley; Their mission is to find answers for the parents.

We know that SY have information on this case that we don't have.   Does it never occur to you that there is evidence amongst that info which led them to firmly believe that Madeleine was removed from 5A and that the parents were not involved?  Evidence that we don't know about because we've never seen it.

People seem to forget that we only have some of the information on this case.  To believe in these circumstances that amateur armchair detectives are not only on a par with experienced SY detectives (who do have all the information)  - but actually believe they know better than they do is ludicrous imo.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

We know that SY have information on this case that we don't have.   Does it never occur to you that there is evidence amongst that info which led them to firmly believe that Madeleine was removed from 5A and that the parents were not involved?  Evidence that we don't know about because we've never seen it.

People seem to forget that we only have some of the information on this case.  To believe in these circumstances that amateur armchair detectives are not only on a par with experienced SY detectives (who do have all the information)  - but actually believe they know better than they do is ludicrous imo.

AIMHO

Has it ever occurred to you, there wasn't an abduction ?

[Mr Gray]

Has it ever occurred to you, there wasn't an abduction ?

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several posters on here who support abduction have clearly stated they have considered all options and on the evidence consider abduction the most likely. The reason I beleive abduction took place is precisely because I have considered the other options and discounted them

[barrier]

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several posters on here who support abduction have clearly stated they have considered all options and on the evidence consider abduction the most likely. The reason I beleive abduction took place is precisely because I have considered the other options and discounted them

Out of interest what other options?

[Mr Gray]

Out of interest what other options?

are you serious?