Operation Grange methodology.

[jassi]

Leaving Sutton aside, then;

Redwood seems to have appeared out of nowhere in May 2009 when he joined the Met. I don't know where he worked before that. I don't know what he did between May 2009 and May 2011. If he's a seasoned detective I can find no record of it. The Met don't appear to have put their finest on this job. they appear to have put someone with no experience. Operation Grange seems to be his only major case.

Surely there were other DCI's who had experience and expertise?

Although high profile, it started off as very much a cold case review. Perhaps more able and ambitious officers didn't want to take it and it fell to a less officer, winding down towards  retirement.
 A safe pair of hands who could be expected to do as he was told and not rock the boat, perhaps.

[Alice Purjorick]

Leaving Sutton aside, then;

Redwood seems to have appeared out of nowhere in May 2009 when he joined the Met. I don't know where he worked before that. I don't know what he did between May 2009 and May 2011. If he's a seasoned detective I can find no record of it. The Met don't appear to have put their finest on this job. they appear to have put someone with no experience. Operation Grange seems to be his only major case.

Surely there were other DCI's who had experience and expertise?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-operation-grange-leader-andy-redwood-quit-effort-find-maddie-1478254

DCI Redwood describes it as:
"Announcing his retirement, Redwood said: "After careful consideration and a full and rewarding career in the Met the time is right for me to move on". What ever that may mean.
We have three options as I see it. 1)The brass put him in charge because he was the right bloke for the task that was to be executed without fear or favour or 2) "he'll do, he is a lifer just about to pull his pension so he will not rock the boat when we tell him the answer he is to find" or 3) he has just finished a job and has only a while to go to retirement so keephim occupied kicking off OG on someone elses budget [a managers dream]. As the Met are not in charge and the Portuguese are running their own case it would seem to me there would be a potential danger of OG saying "right ma'am nothing suspicious here" [becuase it is their script] then the PJ turn up the real goods two days later in the case of 2 above.
I don't buy it.

[Mr Gray]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-operation-grange-leader-andy-redwood-quit-effort-find-maddie-1478254

DCI Redwood describes it as:
"Announcing his retirement, Redwood said: "After careful consideration and a full and rewarding career in the Met the time is right for me to move on". What ever that may mean.
We have three options as I see it. 1)The brass put him in charge because he was the right bloke for the task that was to be executed without fear or favour or 2) "he'll do, he is a lifer just about to pull his pension so he will not rock the boat when we tell him the answer he is to find" or 3) he has just finished a job and has only a while to go to retirement so keephim occupied kicking off OG on someone elses budget [a managers dream]. As the Met are not in charge and the Portuguese are running their own case it would seem to me there would be a potential danger of OG saying "right ma'am nothing suspicious here" [becuase it is their script] then the PJ turn up the real goods two days later in the case of 2 above.
I don't buy it.

My opinion is that SY are running the show...but saying little so as not to dent the Portuguese pride

[Alice Purjorick]

My opinion is that SY are running the show...but saying little so as not to dent the Portuguese pride

Given that The MPS have no powers in the country where the crime ,if any, was committed perhaps you would like to explain to the forum at large just how you arrive at that startling conclusion, quoting the appropriate legislation where necessary.

[Mr Gray]

Given that The MPS have no powers in the country where the crime ,if any, was committed perhaps you would like to explain to the forum at large just how you arrive at that startling conclusion, quoting the appropriate legislation where necessary.

Yes...they direct the investigation and the Portuguese go along with it....rubber stamp it...all my opinion of course

[barrier]

Given that The MPS have no powers in the country where the crime ,if any, was committed perhaps you would like to explain to the forum at large just how you arrive at that startling conclusion, quoting the appropriate legislation where necessary.

2nd that, also the remit tells us that the MPS have no jurisdiction.
Any defence would have a field day if it ever got to court in Portugal imo,

[barrier]

Yes...they direct the investigation and the Portuguese go along with it....rubber stamp it...all my opinion of course

Agree there, it certainly didn't seem like the Portuguese were interested in the landscaping imo.

[Mr Gray]

2nd that, also the remit tells us that the MPS have no jurisdiction.
Any defence would have a field day if it ever got to court in Portugal imo,

No field day for the defence...all protocols complied with...hence the ilors..imo

[Alice Purjorick]

Yes...they direct the investigation and the Portuguese go along with it....rubber stamp it...all my opinion of course

How does that work?
You are good at the nebulous stuff (imo) but not much good at the nuts and bolts (imo).
So give it another go that's credible.

[Mr Gray]

How does that work?
You are good at the nebulous stuff (imo) but not much good at the nuts and bolts (imo).
So give it another go that's credible. Unless you are just wumming to start a flame war on this thread as well.

Barrier seems to understand
SY want to investigate
Portuguese can't reopen the case without new evidence....
So they come up with tractor man....and rapidly drop him in order to accommodate SY...
Imo SY are running the show with the co operation of the PJ

[barrier]

No field day for the defence...all protocols complied with...hence the ilors..imo

The MPS have no jurisdiction, how therefore could (and this is hypothetical) any evidence and if its the crucial piece collected by them be legit? also not forgetting in Portugal and it seems likely all counties abroad they have no more rights than a civilian.

[Mr Gray]

The MPS have no jurisdiction, how therefore could (and this is hypothetical) any evidence and if its the crucial piece collected by them be legit?

As long as it's collected by due protocol they simply hand the evidence to the pj

[G-Unit]

Although high profile, it started off as very much a cold case review. Perhaps more able and ambitious officers didn't want to take it and it fell to a less officer, winding down towards  retirement.
 A safe pair of hands who could be expected to do as he was told and not rock the boat, perhaps.

Hamish Campbell had a long career with the Met. He joined in 1974 and left in May 2013. He attended the same university as Redwood and gained the same degree. Campbell's was gained in 1995-1997. I don't know when Redwood got his. In January 2009 he joined the Homicide and Serious Crime Command. In May of the same year Redwood joined that department too.

In December 1999 Campbell was appointed as the investigating officer on the Jill Dando case, Operation Oxborough. At the time the investigation was growing cold after seven months. The new team got a result; Barry Bulsara was arrested and convicted.

Campbell retired in May 2013, Redwood in December 2014. It seems Nicola Wall replaced Campbell as the Senior Investigating Officer, despite being a DCI as opposed to Campbell's rank of DCS. I wonder if she has an Investigating Officer to replace Redwood or if that position has become redundant?

[pathfinder73]

Barrier seems to understand
SY want to investigate
Portuguese can't reopen the case without new evidence....
So they come up with tractor man....and rapidly drop him in order to accommodate SY...
Imo SY are running the show with the co operation of the PJ

You never know?

As the investigation develops it is possible Scotland Yard may wish certain persons of interest to be brought in for questioning or to provide fresh witness statements.

While it would be the home police force that carried out such activities, the Met has already requested that a small team of British officers are on the ground to observe and assist in that process.

In preparation for today’s announcement, senior officers from Operation Grange made 16 visits to Portugal in order to ensure that any potential difficulties were ironed out.

If a British suspect is ever charged with abduction or murder in the case, the law allows them to be tried at the Old Bailey in London, even if the alleged crime took place overseas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10159992/Madeleine-McCann-How-the-British-led-investigation-will-operate-overseas.html

[barrier]

Barrier seems to understand
SY want to investigate
Portuguese can't reopen the case without new evidence....
So they come up with tractor man....and rapidly drop him in order to accommodate SY...
Imo SY are running the show with the co operation of the PJ

Yes and has far as I can see,the Portuguese duly let OG have their rope and SY are doing their utmost too use it on themselves.All imo of course,and the cost to the Portuguese?