Operation Grange methodology.

[Mr Gray]

Given The Met have no authority in Portugal* I often wonder just where and what these leads are?

*much as the  jingoistic Lord Palmerston disciples amongst us might wish that were to the contrary.

Civis brittanicus sum.....you did that in GCE history no doubt

[Alice Purjorick]

Civis brittanicus sum.....you did that in GCE history no doubt

No old son and I haven't a bleedin' clue wot you is bangin' on abaht. I made reference to Lord Palmerston for the good of my health.
The correct quotation, however, appears to be:
“Civis Romanus sum” (“I am a Roman citizen”), “so also a British subject, in whatever land he may be, shall feel confident that the watchful eye and the strong arm of England will protect him against injustice and wrong.”

It is somewhat ironic that David Pacifico was a Portuguese Jew born in Gibraltar.....

[Carana]

Given The Met have no authority in Portugal* I often wonder just where and what these leads are?

*much as the  jingoistic Lord Palmerston disciples amongst us might wish that were to the contrary.

LOL

No, I know they have no authority to directly conduct their own investigation in Portugal, but there are the ILOR and mutual assistance channels.

If ever enough evidence of what happened and who was responsible emerges, it would normally be up to the PT side to lay charges and lead a prosecution, although there are exceptions in some situations.

I'm sure we have an app a thread for that.
 

[Mr Gray]

No old son and I haven't a bleedin' clue wot you is bangin' on abaht. I made reference to Lord Palmerston for the good of my health.
The correct quotation, however, appears to be:
“Civis Romanus sum” (“I am a Roman citizen”), “so also a British subject, in whatever land he may be, shall feel confident that the watchful eye and the strong arm of England will protect him against injustice and wrong.”

It is somewhat ironic that David Pacifico was a Portuguese Jew born in Gibraltar.....

It was a long time ago but I seem to remember Palmerston changed the Roman saying to brittanicus

[G-Unit]

LOL

No, I know they have no authority to directly conduct their own investigation in Portugal, but there are the ILOR and mutual assistance channels.

If ever enough evidence of what happened and who was responsible emerges, it would normally be up to the PT side to lay charges and lead a prosecution, although there are exceptions in some situations.

I'm sure we have an app a thread for that.

The Portuguese, Rowley told us, want the i's dotted and the t's crossed. It seems that OG will need to present a very strong case before the Portuguese will take any action.

[jassi]

The Portuguese, Rowley told us, want the i's dotted and the t's crossed. It seems that OG will need to present a very strong case before the Portuguese will take any action.

And quite rightly so.

[G-Unit]

And quite rightly so.

Hopefully it's normal practice for the Met to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

[Carana]

The Portuguese, Rowley told us, want the i's dotted and the t's crossed. It seems that OG will need to present a very strong case before the Portuguese will take any action.

After the fiasco of the informal information sharing of confidential intelligence that that naughty fan somehow wafted straight into the path of a CdM hack who just happened to be outside the window, I somewhat doubt that the UK is terribly keen on taking the risk that that could happen again, either.

[Alice Purjorick]

It was a long time ago but I seem to remember Palmerston changed the Roman saying to brittanicus

There would not appear to be evidence to suggest that assertion. If however you were around at the time as you seem suggest then........................

[G-Unit]

After the fiasco of the informal information sharing on confidential intelligence that that naughty fan somehow wafted straight into the path of a CdM hack who just happened to be outside the window, I somewhat doubt that the UK is terribly keen on taking the risk that that could happen again, either.

There have been plenty of stories about OG, just as there were during the first Portuguese investigation. Should we assume therefore that OG have actually been leaking? Perhaps it was the McCanns doing it? Why would they do that when it could have damaged Operation Grange's investigation? 

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann want to interview three burglars who were in the area when she went missing, it has been reported.

British officers formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry in a move which appears to suggest that fresh suspects or promising new lines have been identified, but police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought.

However, a spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, Madeleine’s parents, told the Daily Mirror he believed it was likely the burglars were the targets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

One of the recommendations in the debrief of Operation Task was to be careful when sharing information with families because 'information given in confidence' can be 'inadvertently made public by them'. It looks like OG didn't read that. (page 34)

[faithlilly]

There have been plenty of stories about OG, just as there were during the first Portuguese investigation. Should we assume therefore that OG have actually been leaking? Perhaps it was the McCanns doing it? Why would they do that when it could have damaged Operation Grange's investigation? 

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann want to interview three burglars who were in the area when she went missing, it has been reported.

British officers formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry in a move which appears to suggest that fresh suspects or promising new lines have been identified, but police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought.

However, a spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, Madeleine’s parents, told the Daily Mirror he believed it was likely the burglars were the targets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

One of the recommendations in the debrief of Operation Task was to be careful when sharing information with families because 'information given in confidence' can be 'inadvertently made public by them'. It looks like OG didn't read that. (page 34)

When you read an article claiming OG is doing this or doing that the first thing you have to ask yourself is who does this claim benefit ? The recent headlines claiming the McCanns or their friends hadn't been requestioned is a case in point. Who did that benefit ? OG who were being made to look incompetent or the McCanns who may well benefit in the future from OG looking incompetent ?

[jassi]

When you read an article claiming OG is doing this or doing that the first thing you have to ask yourself is who does this claim benefit ? The recent headlines claiming the McCanns or their friends hadn't been requestioned is a case in point. Who did that benefit ? OG who were being made to look incompetent or the McCanns who may well benefit in the future from OG looking incompetent ?

I would agree that this generally the case (IMO), but it was Rowley who volunteered this information, so no leak.

[Eleanor]

When you read an article claiming OG is doing this or doing that the first thing you have to ask yourself is who does this claim benefit ? The recent headlines claiming the McCanns or their friends hadn't been requestioned is a case in point. Who did that benefit ? OG who were being made to look incompetent or the McCanns who may well benefit in the future from OG looking incompetent ?

Who decided that Operation Grange looked incompetent?  Or is that just your opinion?

Who decided that The McCanns may well benefit in future?  Or is that just your opinion?

[Wonderfulspam]

one of the slight positives in... in all of this is that there is so much rumour about what did and didn't happen, it's actually very difficult, if you're reading the newspapers, watching TV, to know what is true and what's not.

[Miss Taken Identity]

one of the slight positives in... in all of this is that there is so much rumour about what did and didn't happen, it's actually very difficult, if you're reading the newspapers, watching TV, to know what is true and what's not.

There is also the very sad realisation that there is a young woman (if still alive) or murdered 3 yearold laying rotting,and no one in the family ever acknowledge any responsibility for what they allowed to happen to their daughter. This forum is geared towards the pain and suffering of the parents etc. No one 'supporting' the parents, who may or may not be involved with her disappearance, ever want to talk about this. It is too upsetting. Trying to get to the truth will be upsetting but in all this the person who is/was the most genuinely upset would have been the true victim and that would be Madeleine  Beth McCann.

OG should have treated her non return to her homeland as if she was 'missing' from school/nursery/home here in the UK. Rather that play lip service to the McCann PR about abduction. 12 million  to find out no abduction took place as described by the family.

The NHS needs that Money.