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Offline adam

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2018, 05:23:55 PM »
Regarding adoption I don't believe it greatly influenced Bamber's decision. Except to make it easier for him knowing he was not a blood relation.

There have been a lot of other inheritance killings where the killer had not been adopted.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 12:19:44 PM »
Happy new year Holly and Jeremy and all the good people fighting this monstrous injustice.

From down under with love.

Happy New Year to you too Samson x
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 12:23:43 PM »
Bamber is deffo no MoJ!!! St Theresa has never heard of him, and wouldn't free him even if she did!

Whatever happened to Lundy... I thought you said he would be out last October!!!?

From ooop North without lo....

 (ty6e[  Welcome back!

Oh yes he is!!!

I can't find any outcome for Lundy's appeal.  Samson?  I assume it's to be continued? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 01:41:17 PM »
Regarding adoption I don't believe it greatly influenced Bamber's decision. Except to make it easier for him knowing he was not a blood relation.

There have been a lot of other inheritance killings where the killer had not been adopted.

There's no reason why an adult who has grown up with non-biological parents will think any less of his/her non-biological parents than adults who grew up with birth parents providing the non-biological parents were loving and supportive towards their non-biological child.  And yet I can see perhaps at JB's trial how some were maybe prejudiced against JB on the basis he was the adopted son even if maybe they were not consciously aware of such. 

The inheritance motive was/is simply a theory put forward to explain the murders which IMO lacks substance.

Other cases involving so-called inheritance killers the jury had to decide whether or not the accused murdered to fast-forward his/her inheritance or whether there was some other explanation.  In JB's case the jury had a clear choice JB or SC.

32 years on from JB's trial and far more is now known about the effects of severe maternal depression and neglect on the brains and biological systems of infants in the care of mothers/caregivers suffering severe depression.  This puts the infant at risk of attachment trauma and a 'disorganised attachment' style in adulthood.  This new science renders trial testimony from Dr Ferguson and Dr Bradly largely obsolete. 

All the science underpinning attachment points to SC suffereing attachment trauma due to June's mental health issues during critical periods of SC's development.

Dr Ferguson told the court he did not regard SC at risk of suicide or capable of harming herself or others.  This was on the basis he diagnosed SC suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.  If SC was a paranoid schizophrenic all the evidence also supports her suffering attachment trauma which if left untreated leaves such individuals at risk of suicide and committing acts of violence.

Dr Dan Siegal explains how individuals suffering disorganised attachments are most at risk of losing control and committing acts of violence:

http://www.drdansiegel.com/about/biography/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkEcpBU3TpE

Dr Allan Schore explains attachment trauma, the roots of suicide and the effect of early attachment on brain development and how an infant's cognitive structure is effected by a mother's depression:

http://www.allanschore.com/bio.php

https://www.psychalive.org/video-dr-allan-schore-attachment-trauma-effects-neglect-abuse-brain-development/

https://www.psychalive.org/video-dr-allan-schore-roots-suicide-early-attachment/

https://www.psychalive.org/video-dr-allan-schore-explains-infants-cognitive-structure-effected-mothers-depression/

The following study led by Prof Barone has shown that mothers with disorganised/helpless/entangled attachment styles are more likely to commit filicide than mentally ill mothers:

https://www.laviniabarone.com/home-2

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213414001458

The above will obviously make for a very compelling appeal point at JB's next hearing.

Just to say we all have adult attachment styles.  Hopefully 'secure' ones!  Here's a questionnaire for those interested in determining their own adult attachment style:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/tests/relationships/relationship-attachment-style-test
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 02:44:07 PM »
The CoA hearing notice highlights how June's severe depression requiring in-patient psychiatric care in 1955 and 1959 and its likely adverse effect on SC has so far been completely overlooked:

14. June Bamber was also 61 years old. Religion had always played a strong part in her life. In her latter years her interest in this regard had to an extent come to dominate her thinking, to a point that might have been thought to be obsessive. In 1982, she received treatment at a psychiatric hospital in Northampton.

15. Nevill and June Bamber married in 1949 and shortly afterwards took a tenancy of White House Farm. They were unable to have children of their own and adopted two children, Sheila and Jeremy, the appellant.


 http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Although Dr Ferguson's WS does state:

I also treated Sheila's adoptive [sic] mother Mrs June Bamber at St Andrews hospital Northants.  I can say that June after suffering a long period of childlessness was examined and eventually an ovarian cyst was removed.  She made a decision to adopt and having done this suffered severe depressions.  This was around 1959.  She required ECT as an in-patient and made a full recovery.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2018, 04:51:15 PM »
There's no reason why an adult who has grown up with non-biological parents will think any less of his/her non-biological parents than adults who grew up with birth parents providing the non-biological parents were loving and supportive towards their non-biological child.  And yet I can see perhaps at JB's trial how some were maybe prejudiced against JB on the basis he was the adopted son even if maybe they were not consciously aware of such. 

The inheritance motive was/is simply a theory put forward to explain the murders which IMO lacks substance.

Other cases involving so-called inheritance killers the jury had to decide whether or not the accused murdered to fast-forward his/her inheritance or whether there was some other explanation.  In JB's case the jury had a clear choice JB or SC.

I'm afraid the inheritance motive is far from a theory Holly, Julie Mugford's testimony put pay to that.  Surely you don't still believe she made it all up?

As for the adoption issue, Bamber was very resentful of what happened to him in that as a baby he was given away to strangers yet his younger siblings born to the same parents were not.  I would think that as he grew up his hatred manifested itself in his actions which ultimately saw him murdering them all.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2018, 04:55:52 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2018, 05:07:05 PM »
I'm afraid the inheritance motive is far from a theory Holly, Julie Mugford's testimony put pay to that.  Surely you don't still believe she made it all up?

Yes I do.  I find JM's testimony totally unreliable.     

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2018, 12:36:43 AM »
Yes I do.  I find JM's testimony totally unreliable.   

Julie had no reason to lie and every reason to tell the truth.  And far from being unreliable she was an extremely credible witness by all accounts, far more credible than Jeremy Bamber.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2018, 02:05:30 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Caroline

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2018, 12:23:17 PM »
(ty6e[  Welcome back!

Oh yes he is!!!

I can't find any outcome for Lundy's appeal.  Samson?  I assume it's to be continued?

Oh no he isn't!

Offline Samson

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2018, 08:25:10 AM »
Bamber is deffo no MoJ!!! St Theresa has never heard of him, and wouldn't free him even if she did!

Whatever happened to Lundy... I thought you said he would be out last October!!!?

From ooop North without lo....
We expect Lundy to have his appeal allowed about february. There is a focus group compiling a simple A4 page of facts to explain to the villagers how they have been hoaxed. Love is a four letter word, nothing more. More for dear Holly, but in the PC world, in downunder we are very very very flexible.

Offline Myster

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2018, 10:28:27 AM »
(ty6e[  Welcome back!

Oh yes he is!!!

I can't find any outcome for Lundy's appeal.  Samson?  I assume it's to be continued?

Oh no he isn't!

Hi Holly and Caro...I'll only be online for short periods this year, too much to do in the real world at present.

Jeremy B is a lost cause, I'm afraid.

See ya both!
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2018, 11:06:32 AM »
Hi Holly and Caro...I'll only be online for short periods this year, too much to do in the real world at present.

Jeremy B is a lost cause, I'm afraid.

See ya both!

Me too!

Yep see you both at the 'coming out' party. I've secured some tickets for the guilty camp.  The menu will include humble pie with a red hot chilli dipping sauce!  ENJOY! 


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Angelo222

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2018, 11:15:36 AM »
Me too!

Yep see you both at the 'coming out' party. I've secured some tickets for the guilty camp.  The menu will include humble pie with a red hot chilli dipping sauce!  ENJOY! 

Didn't he come out a few years ago?   ?{)(**
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Caroline

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2018, 12:47:23 PM »
Hi Holly and Caro...I'll only be online for short periods this year, too much to do in the real world at present.

Jeremy B is a lost cause, I'm afraid.

See ya both!

Hi Myster, great to see you back - even for just a fleeting visit!  ()678%

Offline Caroline

Re: Effect of adoption on Bamber family members.
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2018, 12:49:55 PM »
Me too!

Yep see you both at the 'coming out' party. I've secured some tickets for the guilty camp.  The menu will include humble pie with a red hot chilli dipping sauce!  ENJOY! 

How long are you willing to wait before you eat your own humble pie? How many more years of 'he'll be out soon' will be enough?