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stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2017, 09:29:57 PM »
you have to look at the evidence as to why the other sceneraios are likely or unlikely...as i have done in this case

So have I.

Nothing conclusive to show one above any other.

Offline sadie

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2017, 11:15:41 PM »
Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD

11 DECEMBER 2017

Alexandra Borges, Sérgio Figueiredo and Judite França in the presentation of TVI's Great Report on the IURD.  | NUNO PINTO FERNANDES / GLOBAL IMAGES

The TVI report "The Secret of the Gods" reveals that the leader of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God is involved in the network and that his grandchildren were robbed of a home in Portugal

The Public Prosecutor's Office has opened an investigation into an alleged network of illegal adoptions of Portuguese children linked to the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (IURD), the Attorney General's Office (PGR) told Lusa on Monday.

"There is an investigation related to this matter, and it has been referred to the DIAP [Investigation and Criminal Action Department of Lisbon] for investigation," added PGR, quoted by Lusa.

An investigation by TVI reveals that Edir Macedo, leader of IURD, is involved in an international network of illegal adoptions of children and that his own "grandchildren" are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the social work of church.

According to the report entitled "The Secret of the Gods", which began to be broadcast on TVI on Monday, the IURD had an illegal children's home in Lisbon in the 90's, where several children were taken in absentia of their mothers.

The children were delivered directly to the home, in the margins of the courts, by families in difficulties and ended abroad, adopted by bishops and pastors of the church irregularly and without right to contradict the families,
according to the investigation of the journalists Alexandra Borges and Judite France .

TVI found that Edir Macedo "is involved in this international network of illegal adoptions of children, and that his own grandchildren are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the church's social work."

According to a TVI statement on the investigation, "an important member of this network even came to steal a newborn from his mother in the maternity hospital and to register him directly as his biological child."

"This happened under our eyes and depicts the scheme that was set up in an illegal home," TVI's director of information, Sérgio Figueiredo, said at the end of the presentation of the report to the press.

The situation "reaches the height of the IURD," he said, stressing that "the children were taken without the courts hearing the children's families."

"The state was not quite right here, but it's never too late to restore the truth," said Sérgio Figueiredo.

The home opened in 1994 in Lisbon and was legalized in 2001. The IURD eventually closed it in 2011, claiming the crisis as the motive.

This is the first series of information on Portuguese television and will be revealed in ten episodes, the first one being broadcast today following the "Jornal das 8".
https://www.dn.pt/sociedade/interior/mp-esta-a-investigar-alegada-rede-de-adocoes-ilegais-de-criancas-ligadas-a-iurd-8977692.html?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Web


  ...  *%6^ ... Wonder if anyone will bother to translate and make a transcript for publication on the internet 

Seems TVI are investigating an illegal international adoption network which allegedly was active in Portugal during the time Madeleine went missing.

Apparently they have sufficient information for ten episodes and  ... just like the much derided burglaries and assaults on children carried out while their parents slept under the same roof ... much time and effort has gone into denying such a thing as illegal adoptions are possible.

If there was an active international network for the theft and trafficking of infants ... in my opinion ... it would take very little tweaking to adapt the same protocols for the theft and trafficking of toddlers.


&%%6

That's a great find, Brietta.  It adds another dimension to my main theory

So many leaders within the church are rumoured to have an " interest " in children that, perhaps irrationally, I have begun to disrespect church / religeous  leaders.   Some seem to be part of the charm "smile and seem perfect" brigade, whilst "hidden in plain sight" is another side to them.  A black side.  IMO

A technique well practiced by some it seems, IMO.


And, of course, The Catholic Church has long practiced the admonishment of its priests and religious leaders by keeping it quiet and telling them "not to be naughty" after abusing children, then sending them to another parish far away from the parish where they "sinned" .... promoting some ... and where it often started up all over again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690575/Pope-Francis-admits-two-cent-Roman-Catholic-priests-paedophiles-interview-Italian-newspaper.html


I like Pope Francis.  ***


Remember, there were big rumours about why Pope Benedictine suddenly resigned?   It's that Benedictine name again!   

Prolific abuse was allowed at the famous  school Ampleforth (Benedictine) College, when the Headmaster / Abbott Basil Hume was leading it.  I have a record of a website that states that there were 9 priests / civilian staff there that were abusing the pupils who were all boys at that time.  Only 8 of the 9 abusers names were made public.   Who was the other one ?

Abbott Basil Hume was promoted up to Cardinal and moved to London where he set about promoting the lowering the age of consent for children.   His following group met at St Aloysius church in London.

Offline sadie

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2017, 11:20:31 PM »

&%%6

That's a great find, Brietta.  It adds another dimension to my main theory

So many leaders within the church are rumoured to have an " interest " in children that, perhaps irrationally, I have begun to disrespect church / religeous  leaders.   Some seem to be part of the charm "smile and seem perfect" brigade, whilst "hidden in plain sight" is another side to them.  A black side.  IMO

A technique well practiced by some it seems, IMO.


And, of course, The Catholic Church has long practiced the admonishment of its priests and religious leaders by keeping it quiet and telling them "not to be naughty" after abusing children, then sending them to another parish far away from the parish where they "sinned" .... promoting some ... and where it often started up all over again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690575/Pope-Francis-admits-two-cent-Roman-Catholic-priests-paedophiles-interview-Italian-newspaper.html


I like Pope Francis.  ***


Remember, there were big rumours about why Pope Benedictine suddenly resigned?   It's that Benedictine name again!   

Prolific abuse was allowed at the famous  school Ampleforth (Benedictine) College, when the Headmaster / Abbott Basil Hume was leading it.  I have a record of a website that states that there were 9 priests / civilian staff there that were abusing the pupils who were all boys at that time.  Only 8 of the 9 abusers names were made public.   Who was the other one ?

Abbott Basil Hume was promoted up to Cardinal and moved to London where he set about promoting the lowering the age of consent for children.   His following group met at St Aloysius church in London.


sadie
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I like Pope Francis ***

I like Pope Francis. 
He has also effectively sacked the Grand Master, Mattkew Festling, of the Knights of St John and as such possibly IMO disassociated himself and the Catholic Church from The Knights of St John.  I wonder why?   Matthew was an old boy of Ampleforth College. [Benedictine} 

Andrew Bertie , the previous Grand Master of the Knights of St John was also an old boy of Ampleforth College, which is thought of as the equivalent of Eton by the Catholic Community. 
Grand Masters were thought of as the equivalent of Princes within the Catholic Church ... above Cardinals. 

Grand Masters, like Popes, usually hold their position until death.

Could there be some reason that the Catholic Church wants to dissociate itself from the Knights of St John / Knights of Malta ?   Some scandal brewing that The Catholic Church wants no part of ? ... or wants to distance itself from as much as possible?


Hmm, I wonder ?


ETA:  It's that St Johns name again ... keeps coming up, doesn't it? 


ETA 2
My thoughts may be incorrect , but there certainly are a few strange things happening .... and it looks as tho Pope Francis is at least trying to clean up the Catholic churches image.  Doubt he will manage it completely but it would be good if he could stop the age old practices within the Church of giving a gentle ticking off, then sending the offending abusing priest elsewhere ... to generally start up again with his abuse with a new set of children. 
And also stop the Career promotion of the offender.  I suppose that was done to make it more difficult for the Authorities to prosecute a more "important" member of The Church

AIMHO possible.

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2017, 02:08:58 AM »
IURD denies charges of trafficking of Portuguese children

DECEMBER 12, 2017


IURD says that the accusations of kidnapping and an illegal adoption scheme of Portuguese children in a nursing home in Lisbon are the result of "a smear and defamatory campaign".

In a statement issued in Brazil, the Brazilian church said that the investigation carried out by the reporters of the Portuguese television station TVI is based on the false testimony of a former bishop named Alfredo Paulo, who would have been expelled from the church for improper conduct.

IURD adds that "its members, in Portugal and outside the European country, will file numerous actions against TVI in Portugal and abroad".

In a video broadcast by the Universal Church on an official Youtube channel, two youths called Vera de Andrade and Louis Carlos de Andrade, grandchildren of Edir Macedo, who were adopted in the home maintained by the church in Lisbon, pronounced themselves claiming that the report of TVI made accusations which are not true.

"TVI is saying things about us that are not true. They are saying that we were kidnapped by the Universal Church. We were not kidnapped, we were adopted lawfully by an American family and we lived until our 20 years with this family in the United States, "said Louis Carlos.

We want to tell TVI that it is not fair at all what they are doing with us. And we want the right of reply.

On Monday night, TVI began the exhibition of a series of reports called "The Secret of the Gods", in which it notices that the IURD was allegedly related to the abduction and trafficking of children born in Portugal.

The alleged crimes would have happened in the 1990s with children taken to a home in Lisbon, which would have fueled a scheme of illegal adoptions for the benefit of IURD-related families living in Brazil and the United States.

Meanwhile, the Portuguese Public Prosecutor's Office has opened an investigation into this alleged network of illegal adoptions of Portuguese children linked to the IURD, Lusa told the Attorney General's Office Monday.

"There is an investigation related to this matter, and it has been referred to the DIAP [Investigation and Criminal Action Department of Lisbon] for investigation," said the Attorney General's Office in a response sent to Lusa.

The first episode of the TVI series, which claims to have had access to more than 10,000 documents in a seven-month investigation, tells the story of a Portuguese mother's reunion with her three children, who were taken away without authorization from Social Security and then sent to another family that lived in the United States.

According to information gathered by TVI, IURD currently has 9 million faithful, spread across 182 countries, 320 bishops and about 14 thousand pastors.

This evangelical church was founded in the late 1970s and is led by Bishop Edir Macedo, considered one of the richest men in Brazil.

The TVI series began streaming Monday and is forecasting 10 chapters.
https://www.dn.pt/portugal/interior/igreja-brasileira-nega-acusacoes-de-que-manteve-esquema-de-trafico-de-criancas-portuguesas-8978565.html?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Web
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2017, 02:22:31 AM »
sadie
I like Pope Francis. 
He has also effectively sacked the Grand Master, Mattkew Festling, of the Knights of St John and as such possibly IMO disassociated himself and the Catholic Church from The Knights of St John.  I wonder why?   Matthew was an old boy of Ampleforth College. [Benedictine} 

Andrew Bertie , the previous Grand Master of the Knights of St John was also an old boy of Ampleforth College, which is thought of as the equivalent of Eton by the Catholic Community. 
Grand Masters were thought of as the equivalent of Princes within the Catholic Church ... above Cardinals. 

Grand Masters, like Popes, usually hold their position until death.

Could there be some reason that the Catholic Church wants to dissociate itself from the Knights of St John / Knights of Malta ?   Some scandal brewing that The Catholic Church wants no part of ? ... or wants to distance itself from as much as possible?


Hmm, I wonder ?


ETA:  It's that St Johns name again ... keeps coming up, doesn't it? 


ETA 2
My thoughts may be incorrect , but there certainly are a few strange things happening .... and it looks as tho Pope Francis is at least trying to clean up the Catholic churches image.  Doubt he will manage it completely but it would be good if he could stop the age old practices within the Church of giving a gentle ticking off, then sending the offending abusing priest elsewhere ... to generally start up again with his abuse with a new set of children. 
And also stop the Career promotion of the offender.  I suppose that was done to make it more difficult for the Authorities to prosecute a more "important" member of The Church

AIMHO possible.

Don't know Sadie.
IURD appear to be some sort of religious sect or church.  I've never heard of them before.  They are contesting what TVI are saying about them in these ten programmes by demanding the 'right of reply'.

I think that in itself is odd.
If TVI have got it so drastically wrong in their research and allegation ... why that demand?  Why not get an injunction to prevent broadcast until the legal situation is sorted out?

Maybe that will come later.

It is interesting though.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2017, 09:11:44 AM »
The Church is Pentecostal, nothing to do with the Catholic Church. It was founded in Brazil and has a bad reputation. In the UK it's known as The Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (UCKG, from Igreja Universal do Reino de Deus [iˈɡɾeʒɐ univeʁˈsaw du ˈʁejnu dʒi ˈdews] (IURD)

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Offline Lace

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2017, 11:00:07 AM »
There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case.

Child trafficking also occurs in other countries.

Unfortunately, hardly something new in human history.

You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge Stephen,   you say 'There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case'   can you elaborate on how you know that exactly?

It seems the police in the UK and Portugal thought the opposite last year -

Madeleine McCann was kidnapped by European child trafficking ring, fear British and Portuguese police as BOTH forces say they are focusing on that theory

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001976/Madeleine-McCann-kidnapped-European-child-trafficking-ring-fear-British-Portuguese-police-forces-say-focusing-theory.html#ixzz512jw7sQb
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stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2017, 11:04:47 AM »
You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge Stephen,   you say 'There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case'   can you elaborate on how you know that exactly?

It seems the police in the UK and Portugal thought the opposite last year -

Madeleine McCann was kidnapped by European child trafficking ring, fear British and Portuguese police as BOTH forces say they are focusing on that theory

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001976/Madeleine-McCann-kidnapped-European-child-trafficking-ring-fear-British-Portuguese-police-forces-say-focusing-theory.html#ixzz512jw7sQb
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Merely an opinion, and unsubstantiated.

NO PROOF.

Perhaps you can also enlighten as to what proof Madeleine was kidnapped or abducted ?
« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 11:09:03 AM by stephen25000 »

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2017, 11:16:44 AM »
You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge Stephen,   you say 'There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case'   can you elaborate on how you know that exactly?

It seems the police in the UK and Portugal thought the opposite last year -

Madeleine McCann was kidnapped by European child trafficking ring, fear British and Portuguese police as BOTH forces say they are focusing on that theory

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001976/Madeleine-McCann-kidnapped-European-child-trafficking-ring-fear-British-Portuguese-police-forces-say-focusing-theory.html#ixzz512jw7sQb
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Maybe we should start quoting the papers from 2007/8? Would that be factual?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2017, 11:23:17 AM »
Merely an opinion, and unsubstantiated.

NO PROOF.

Perhaps you can also enlighten as to what proof Madeleine was kidnapped or abducted ?

How could internet armchair detectives possibly have anything other than an opinion?  The guys who really matter and who actually have all the evidence to hand also have an opinion ... but I am rather inclined to give more weight to what they think than to anyone else.

In the interim, we can speculate based on the evidence.  As far as I am concerned that is the proof which cleared the three arguidos based on forensic evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2017, 11:26:09 AM »
I judge by results.

The nature of Madeleine's disappearance has not been determined, let alone in court, and neither has her fate.

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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2017, 11:28:50 AM »
How could internet armchair detectives possibly have anything other than an opinion?  The guys who really matter and who actually have all the evidence to hand also have an opinion ... but I am rather inclined to give more weight to what they think than to anyone else.

In the interim, we can speculate based on the evidence.  As far as I am concerned that is the proof which cleared the three arguidos based on forensic evidence.

Which forensic evidence is that?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2017, 11:30:26 AM »
Maybe we should start quoting the papers from 2007/8? Would that be factual?

There are those who still firmly believe those old 2007/8 false stories ... Madeleine's 100% DNA still carries a resonance for them and has honed their opinions held for over ten years.

So maybe we could discuss what is and what isn't fact?  Crazily enough you imply you already do  &^^&*
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2017, 11:33:21 AM »
Which forensic evidence is that?

You mean you are ignorant of the content of ... the files???  I suggest you read them as some apparently think they are the font of all wisdom.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2017, 11:36:11 AM »
You mean you are ignorant of the content of ... the files???  I suggest you read them as some apparently think they are the font of all wisdom.

I’m interested in which bit of forensics cleared the 3 arguidos? Unless it was just words?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.