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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #135 on: December 30, 2017, 11:52:40 PM »
Explain how the McCanns would have paid corporation tax.
It has no relevance to the OP, in fact this thread has been pretty much off topic since about page 2 I merely joined in "In the spirit" rather than in "the letter" as it were.

I dont think they would have...but others seem to think they did

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #136 on: December 31, 2017, 04:56:26 AM »
Explain how the McCanns would have paid corporation tax.
It has no relevance to the OP, in fact this thread has been pretty much off topic since about page 2 I merely joined in "In the spirit" rather than in "the letter" as it were.
If they paid tax it is definitely on topic IMO. 
"Coporation Tax explained. If you're a limited company or an unincorporated body, such as a club, society or association, then you need to pay Corporation Tax. It's important because if you fail to pay, you could be fined daily by HMRC. ... Corporation Tax is a tax on taxable profits."

HOW MUCH DO I NEED TO PAY?

To work out your taxable profits, you start with your company's pre-tax profit for the financial year. You then:

Add back any depreciation charges you've included in your accounts
Deduct your capital allowances (they take the place of depreciation charges)
Add any other relevant income or chargeable gains
Deduct any other relevant deductions, reliefs, allowances or losses
Next:

"Apply the relevant tax rate(s) to calculate your gross Corporation Tax payable
Deduct any relevant tax credits and any Income Tax already deducted from interest income your company received (for example the tax deducted by your bank before it paid you interest)
Finally you deduct any Corporation Tax you've already paid, for example tax paid early, to find the amount of Corporation Tax you need to pay, or the amount of Corporation Tax you can claim back as an over payment."
http://www.smarta.com/advice/accounting-and-tax/tax/coporation-tax-explained/
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #137 on: December 31, 2017, 05:01:14 AM »
"From 1 April 2015 there is a single Corporation Tax rate of 20% for non-ring fence profits. ..." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-corporation-tax/rates-and-allowances-corporation-tax
So if they are paying 6,000 pounds tax that would be on an amount 5 times greater than that.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #138 on: December 31, 2017, 07:00:10 AM »
The Fund paid Corporation Tax every year except 2013 when they got a rebate of £9,756.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #139 on: December 31, 2017, 11:53:21 AM »
The Fund paid Corporation Tax every year except 2013 when they got a rebate of £9,756.



What is the source of that statement?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #140 on: December 31, 2017, 12:05:49 PM »
They certainly do not appear to be paying the normal rate of corporation tax which must have something to do with it being a not for profit company

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #141 on: December 31, 2017, 12:11:51 PM »
I dont think they would have...but others seem to think they did


I know the McCanns would NOT have paid corporation tax.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #142 on: December 31, 2017, 12:14:51 PM »
What is the source of that statement?

The Fund Accounts filed with Companies House.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2017, 12:17:38 PM »

I know the McCanns would NOT have paid corporation tax.

as its your field that doesnt surprise me......just as you thought entonox was an anaesthetic and I corrected you...thats my field ...simple

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #144 on: December 31, 2017, 12:45:22 PM »
With my limited knowledge it looks like the fund is run as a mutuality . Surplus (profits) all ploughed back into fund for future use rather than being distributed as dividends. Does not attract Corporation Tax.
Tax refunds shown on gs statement probably refund of tax paid on interest on cash balance deducted at source..

what do you think alice

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #145 on: December 31, 2017, 12:59:41 PM »
The Fund Accounts filed with Companies House.

Please provide a direct link to the page containing the table, thank you.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #146 on: December 31, 2017, 01:15:37 PM »

I know the McCanns would NOT have paid corporation tax.

The McCann's didn't, but Madeleine's Fund did.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #147 on: December 31, 2017, 01:21:24 PM »
Q: Are the McCanns liable pay corporation tax
A: No.

Q: Is Madeleines Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited Ltd (referred to in the Articles of Association as The Foundation) liable to pay corporation tax.
A: Yes.

Q: Is The Foundation required to make an annual return to HMRC
A: Yes.

Q: What is the rate of corporation tax.
A: Twenty percent.

Q: Does this vary
A: Not for non-ring fenced companies.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-corporation-tax/rates-and-allowances-corporation-tax

Q: What is a “not for profit company”.
A: “Not-for-profit organisation” is a broad term for all independent organisations that do not make private profit for directors, members or shareholders. It is not a legal structure in and of itself.

Q: What is a legal person.
A: Legal person refers to a non-human entity that is treated as a person for limited legal purposes--corporations, for example. Legal persons can sue and be sued, own property, and enter into contracts.
Q: Do company directors have personal liability for company taxes.
A: For the most part however there is no personal liability of the directors in respect of the tax liabilities of the company. In the event of company insolvency, HMRC can do little to recover any unpaid corporation tax (and will simply stand as another unsecured creditor).
In relation to VAT, whilst it has no direct recovery powers, HMRC can (and more often than not will) require security for VAT in relation to any future businesses with which any of the directors of the insolvent company may become involved.


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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #148 on: December 31, 2017, 01:36:33 PM »
With my limited knowledge it looks like the fund is run as a mutuality . Surplus (profits) all ploughed back into fund for future use rather than being distributed as dividends. Does not attract Corporation Tax.
Tax refunds shown on gs statement probably refund of tax paid on interest on cash balance deducted at source..

what do you think alice

It is run as a Company Limited by Guarantee.
A company limited by guarantee is just a limited company, but has no share capital. The company’s members are guarantors rather than shareholders.
The same rules and regulations apply to companies limited by guarantee as to companies with a share capital. i.e the company will have to file accounts at Companies House within the prescribed deadline, file annual returns, keep proper accounting records, appoint directors and file returns with HMRC.

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine Fund end of year accounts 2016-2017 delayed.
« Reply #149 on: February 04, 2018, 11:05:55 PM »
Shall we run a book on whether the accounts are filed this week?
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