What evidence is there that the initial investigation was not fit for purpose

[Mr Gray]

Possibly but that is not the issue.

This is the issue:
"What evidence is there that the initial investigation was not fit for purpose"

The correct answer remains "none"

If you admit you possibly dont understand what evidence is then how can you say there is none...and...you need to add...imo....to your post

[Carana]

Possibly but that is not the issue.

This is the issue:
"What evidence is there that the initial investigation was not fit for purpose"

The correct answer remains "none"

What evidence would you expect, Alice?

I'd find the question easier the other way around.

- Was there a missing child protocol in place?
- Who was adequately trained on the team for a potential child abduction / murder?
- Did the PJ have a sex offender list?
- Did the PJ have a DNA database?
- Did the PJ forensic team do a thorough investigation?
- Should any of the officers have been reassigned due to pending investigations into the only other missing child case they'd been involved in?
- Did they initially have adequate facilities / resources? If so, what were they?
- In view of the nature of the case, was the language barrier an obstacle?
- What experience had they had in requesting overseas assistance beyond possibly a drug trafficking case?
- ...

[Alice Purjorick]

If you admit you possibly dont understand what evidence is then how can you say there is none...and...you need to add...imo....to your post

OK
IMO

You may need to come at this from a different angle.

[Alice Purjorick]

What evidence would you expect, Alice?

I'd find the question easier the other way around.

- Was there a missing child protocol in place?
- Who was adequately trained on the team for a potential child abduction / murder?
- Did the PJ have a sex offender list?
- Did the PJ have a DNA database?
- Did the PJ forensic team do a thorough investigation?
- Should any of the officers have been reassigned due to pending investigations into the only other missing child case they'd been involved in?
- Did they initially have adequate facilities / resources? If so, what were they?
- In view of the nature of the case, was the language barrier an obstacle?
- What experience had they had in requesting overseas assistance beyond possibly a drug trafficking case?
- ...

The same evidence I would expect from anyone who bandied the term "fit for purpose", about.

[Carana]

The same evidence I would expect from anyone who bandied the term "fit for purpose", about.

What are the criteria?

[G-Unit]

What evidence would you expect, Alice?

I'd find the question easier the other way around.

- Was there a missing child protocol in place?
- Who was adequately trained on the team for a potential child abduction / murder?
- Did the PJ have a sex offender list?
- Did the PJ have a DNA database?
- Did the PJ forensic team do a thorough investigation?
- Should any of the officers have been reassigned due to pending investigations into the only other missing child case they'd been involved in?
- Did they initially have adequate facilities / resources? If so, what were they?
- In view of the nature of the case, was the language barrier an obstacle?
- What experience had they had in requesting overseas assistance beyond possibly a drug trafficking case?
- ...

It all depends on the benchmark you are using. There's no point in comparing the resources and expertise of a country with ten million inhabitants and a GDP of 204 billion USD to those of a country with 65 million inhabitants and a GDP of 2,619 trillion USD. 

A realistic assessment of the Portuguese investigation would be to compare it with a country such as Greece, which has a similar population and GDP.

[Mr Gray]

It all depends on the benchmark you are using. There's no point in comparing the resources and expertise of a country with ten million inhabitants and a GDP of 204 billion USD to those of a country with 65 million inhabitants and a GDP of 2,619 trillion USD. 

A realistic assessment of the Portuguese investigation would be to compare it with a country such as Greece, which has a similar population and GDP.

So what you are saying is you think it might be acceptable by their standard but not by ours

[Robittybob1]

I'm not criticising the poor forensic lady, maybe there was only one glove left in stock.

Does she get criticised for not wearing gloves or the lack of hair net?

[G-Unit]

So what you are saying is you think it might be acceptable by their standard but not by ours

D you expect everything in another country to meet or exceed UK standards? That's not realistic, is it?

In the 1960's my husband noticed the better facilities, food and equipment provided to US troops compared to those provided to British troops. That same difference still existed in Afghanistan a few years ago.

That difference doesn't necessarily mean that the US soldier is superior to the British soldier, however.

[Carana]

According to the Op Task debrief, the PJ were offered all kinds of resources, including a mirror HOLMES site, but they apparently didn't make much use of many of the resources. Perhaps because they were resentful at a perceived intrusion into their "space", or because they simply didn't know how to make use of everything.

There's no way of knowing if the PJ even had a clear-cut strategy on how to lead an investigation of this kind.

[Eleanor]

According to the Op Task debrief, the PJ were offered all kinds of resources, including a mirror HOLMES site, but they apparently didn't make much use of many of the resources. Perhaps because they were resentful at a perceived intrusion into their "space", or because they simply didn't know how to make use of everything.

There's no way of knowing if the PJ even had a clear-cut strategy on how to lead an investigation of this kind.

I suspect that they never had to before.  They decided who was guilty, and that was the end of that.

[Angelo222]

I suspect that they never had to before.  They decided who was guilty, and that was the end of that.

An extremely narrow and naive view Eleanor if I may say so. 

[Angelo222]

I'm not criticising the poor forensic lady, maybe there was only one glove left in stock.

She had no need to use a glove.  In any event try doing that with latex gloves on.

[Eleanor]

An extremely narrow and naive view Eleanor if I may say so. 

You are more than welcome, Angelo.  I respect your opinions, as no doubt you respect mine.

[Angelo222]

You are more than welcome, Angelo.  I respect your opinions, as no doubt you respect mine.

They put Joana Cipriano's murderer and his accomplice behind bars and they claimed it too was an abduction.