Have we learnt anything from the Maddie case?

[Mr Gray]

I think we are saying the same thing in different ways.

you are RIGHT in as much that even if keela had a 100% record it does not follow that her next alert will be correct..

Usain Bolt had a 100% record...The only way we know its corret is with forensic corroboration...and it didnt happen so no confirmation

[Carana]

I agree

Yes, but no one knows in which direction - going out or coming home earlier?

[Robittybob1]

you are RIGHT in as much that even if keela had a 100% record it does not follow that her next alert will be correct..

Usain Bolt had a 100% record...The only way we know its correct is with forensic corroboration...and it didn't happen so no confirmation

Didn't he get beaten in his last race. https://youtu.be/pV6pExNL7IM

The forensic testing on the boot cover was a LCN DNA test and that test never confirms whether it was blood or not.  So even if it was a 100% matched  to Madeleine's DNA it was never going to be confirmed whether it was blood or not.

[faithlilly]

It may have been pus ... any blood cells would have been been disposed of with the plaster and pus ... but the scent of decay would waft around in an enclosed room???

Does pus contain cadaverine ?

[Mr Gray]

Didn't he get beaten in his last race. https://youtu.be/pV6pExNL7IM

The forensic testing on the boot cover was a LCN DNA test and that test never confirms whether it was blood or not.  So even if it was a 100% matched  to Madeleine's DNA it was never going to be confirmed whether it was blood or not.

yes he did...and no confirmation to blood...and no confirmation to maddie

[Robittybob1]

Not hard at all. The tracker dogs followed Madeleine's scent left earlier in the day/days

But hopefully the dog was able to determine the most recent trail.  Did she go right up to the front door when she returned from the creche that afternoon?  What is known is the Madeleine left without her shoes so if she woke and wandered the scent trail will be far more intense than just following a trail where she was walking with shoes on.  Unfortunately there are similar paths passed during the day it is hard to be certain that the tracking dogs identified a woke and wandered situation.  But it can't be ruled out that is for certain.

[Robittybob1]

yes he did...and no confirmation to blood...and no confirmation to maddie

So we now agree.  Usain was beaten and there was no confirmation it was blood or that the DNA was Madeleine's.

[Mr Gray]

But hopefully the dog was able to determine the most recent trail.  Did she go right up to the front door when she returned from the creche that afternoon?  What is known is the Madeleine left without her shoes so if she woke and wandered the scent trail will be far more intense than just following a trail where she was walking with shoes on.  Unfortunately there are similar paths passed during the day it is hard to be certain that the tracking dogs identified a woke and wandered situation.  But it can't be ruled out that is for certain.

whats important in an investigation is what can be ruled in........this obsession with it has not been ruled out is absurd.....as the dna of elvis in the trunk has not been ruled out

[Mr Gray]

So we now agree.  Usain was beaten and there was no confirmation it was blood or that the DNA was Madeleine's.

yes we agree ...a 100% record is no prediction for future events...and we dont even know if keela had a 100% record

[Robittybob1]

Does pus contain cadaverine ?

I don't see why not but in general pus has a distinctive odour of its own.  A Bit like different varieties of cheeses.  Different proteins being degraded by certain bacteria producing a distinctive colour and odour. 

[Robittybob1]

whats important in an investigation is what can be ruled in........this obsession with it has not been ruled out is absurd.....as the dna of elvis in the trunk has not been ruled out

If it can't be ruled out, it is in the list of possible scenarios, but the archiving report was ruling out a woke and wandered situation by saying it was "highly unlikely", and that IMO was very wrong.

[Mr Gray]

If it can't be ruled out, it is in the list of possible scenarios, but the archiving report was ruling out a woke and wandered situation by saying it was "highly unlikely", and that IMO was very wrong.

you would need to understand WHY they ruled it out to have a valid opinion...you dont

[Carana]

Does pus contain cadaverine ?

Why cadaverine in particular? There are hundreds of substances that give off a whiff of decomposition.

[Robittybob1]

you would need to understand WHY they ruled it out to have a valid opinion...you dont

No they had the opportunity to enlighten us and they didn't so it up to them not me.  Why are you so against a woke and wandered situation?  I can see why the PJ were for they were backing "the parents did it" theory, but what do you gain from it?

[Robittybob1]

Why cadaverine in particular? There are hundreds of substances that give off a whiff of decomposition.

When I think it through a deceased person would never develop an abscess or pus after death, so it would be wise for cadaver dogs to be trained not to pick up an abscess discharge or pus IMO. 
Even so it would be possible for a person to have these prior to death a die from their complications.