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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2018, 12:49:39 AM »
Final part ". When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child;
. Ending, states that during the days that preceded the facts, he did not notice any element/individual/fact that would have merited his attention;
. And nothing more said, having read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;
. The document is duly signed by me ? "

He has mentioned the importance of another car several times.
1. ". When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one."
2. "....  and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location;"

3.  "When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child;"

He is strongly hinting that the incident happened before 9:40 (when he left) due to his hunch I suspect that a car was involved in the abduction.

When did he report the presence of this car - one that could be very vital to the investigation?   On the 08 MAY 07.  Is that really as urgent as it should be?    It doesn't sound quite urgent enough to me.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2018, 12:53:49 AM »
Just as I was signing out the words "missing page" caught my eye, so I opened up again "02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_473
MISSING PAGE"    Ok what was on that?  Some PJ follow up??  Who knows.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2018, 03:05:05 AM »
So far nothing that Arlindo says has been confirmed in any way other than there is complex called the Mirage.  I wonder if there is a photo of him anywhere? nothing.
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Offline Carana

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2018, 09:31:52 AM »
Sadie - can you recall if the Esplanade was before or after the Tapas restaurant?  Do you know how I can visualise the relationships?

It can translate as esplanade or terrace. He may just mean the restaurant area by the pool.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2018, 09:39:01 AM »
It can translate as esplanade or terrace. He may just mean the restaurant area by the pool.
Well do you think that the table he is talking about was the table with the Tapas 9 at it?  Were they seated in "the Esplanade"?

In the group of statements under the heading Tapas Bar Employees there were 4 mentions of the Esplanade and 2 make it clear that the Tapas 9 were dining in the Esplanade rather than the restaurant.
"He has been employed as an apprentice waiter at the OC since April this year. Within the resort he works at the Tapas restaurant from 09.30 to 17.00 and has Mondays and Tuesdays off. His functions within the resort are limited to the Tapas Restaurant, including the esplanade and the pool."

"The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner. "

"The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner. "

And what Arlindo says:
". After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else."

One is left thinking the only group left in the Esplanade at the time Arlindo was there were the Tapas 9 group.
If he thought there were 3 couples there that could correspond to the time Jane and Russell were away together so his timing is off  for I had previously worked out that they were both away at around 9:40.

If that is the case he may have closed the security door at the time of his arrival.  When he comes back past the table and notices possessions still there that could correspond to the time when Dianne had gone to the apartment 5A, when she admits leaving the clothing and monitor and camera behind. 10:15 or thereabouts.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2018, 10:13:38 AM »
Well do you think that the table he is talking about was the table with the Tapas 9 at it?  Were they seated in "the Esplanade"?

8:01 Gerry shows where they were seated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 01:37:01 AM »
I think this is a reference to Arlindo
JERONIMO RODRIGUES SALCEDAS ROGATORY
"I went to find Ze and Ricardo to give them the news and to get their help in searching for the missing girl. I saw the head of the Milenium Restaurant in the Tapas and asked him to telephone the restaurant." 
"head of the Milenium Restaurant" could well be equivalent to "executive chef" as Arlindo called himself.  Here Arlindo is being ask to telephone the restaurant". 
There is nothing in Arlindo's statement that suggests he rang the Millennium.
One person at the Millennium gets a call from an English citizen from over at the Tapas.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2018, 10:09:00 AM »
I think this is a reference to Arlindo
JERONIMO RODRIGUES SALCEDAS ROGATORY
"I went to find Ze and Ricardo to give them the news and to get their help in searching for the missing girl. I saw the head of the Milenium Restaurant in the Tapas and asked him to telephone the restaurant." 
"head of the Milenium Restaurant" could well be equivalent to "executive chef" as Arlindo called himself.  Here Arlindo is being ask to telephone the restaurant". 
There is nothing in Arlindo's statement that suggests he rang the Millennium.
One person at the Millennium gets a call from an English citizen from over at the Tapas.

Who got a call?
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 10:31:15 AM »
Who got a call?
It may not be from the Tapas - can you decipher this?  "Gustavo Cesar Cabral Campos

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Millenium Restaurant, OC


He has worked at the Millenium Restaurant since 9th March 2007, near to the apartment where the events occurred.

He says that as he is a waiter he has direct contact with the clients at the restaurant. He works from 16.00 to 24.00 without interruption every day except for Fridays and Saturdays which are his days off.


The place where he works receives guests staying at the resort, mainly of British nationality.

However, he thinks it is possible that people who are not staying at the resort can frequent the restaurant.

When asked if these people can use the areas adjacent to the restaurant (gardens, pools, tennis courts) he does not know whether this is possible.

It is certain that from 18.30/19.00 onwards these leisure area are closed to the public (guests and others).

For security reasons, and given that the restaurant has a receptionist, the entrances of guests are registered and in order to access the spaces adjacent to the restaurant individuals have to show a member card with their name and the apartment where they are staying as well as the dates of arrival and departure from the resort.

Concerning the facts being investigated he says that he has nothing of interest to add.

When questioned, he says that when the events occurred he was working in the restaurant and heard about the disappearance at about 22.30 - 23.00 from a Mark Warner employee (he doesn't know his name, but he is of English nationality) who, at that moment asked to use a telephone in the bar to make a call as he had received information about the disappearance of the girl on his mobile.

He does not know the concrete terms of the conversation but he is clear that something had happened.

The employee then left the bar/restaurant.

When his shift ended he joined in the searched with his colleague Nelson. He searched until 03.00 AM."

The person was a MW employee but it does NOT appear to work at the Millennium, but he was there when he got the text (possible) and made the phone call to someone else.  The English person must have discussed with Gustavo the content of the message to some extent.
Was that original message  the phone call from Arlindo?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2018, 06:43:14 PM »
It may not be from the Tapas - can you decipher this?  "Gustavo Cesar Cabral Campos

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Millenium Restaurant, OC


He has worked at the Millenium Restaurant since 9th March 2007, near to the apartment where the events occurred.

He says that as he is a waiter he has direct contact with the clients at the restaurant. He works from 16.00 to 24.00 without interruption every day except for Fridays and Saturdays which are his days off.


The place where he works receives guests staying at the resort, mainly of British nationality.

However, he thinks it is possible that people who are not staying at the resort can frequent the restaurant.

When asked if these people can use the areas adjacent to the restaurant (gardens, pools, tennis courts) he does not know whether this is possible.

It is certain that from 18.30/19.00 onwards these leisure area are closed to the public (guests and others).

For security reasons, and given that the restaurant has a receptionist, the entrances of guests are registered and in order to access the spaces adjacent to the restaurant individuals have to show a member card with their name and the apartment where they are staying as well as the dates of arrival and departure from the resort.

Concerning the facts being investigated he says that he has nothing of interest to add.

When questioned, he says that when the events occurred he was working in the restaurant and heard about the disappearance at about 22.30 - 23.00 from a Mark Warner employee (he doesn't know his name, but he is of English nationality) who, at that moment asked to use a telephone in the bar to make a call as he had received information about the disappearance of the girl on his mobile.

He does not know the concrete terms of the conversation but he is clear that something had happened.

The employee then left the bar/restaurant.

When his shift ended he joined in the searched with his colleague Nelson. He searched until 03.00 AM."

The person was a MW employee but it does NOT appear to work at the Millennium, but he was there when he got the text (possible) and made the phone call to someone else.  The English person must have discussed with Gustavo the content of the message to some extent.
Was that original message  the phone call from Arlindo?

I can decipher it quite easily. An English MW employee was in the Millenium between 10.30 and 11.00 when he got information on his phone. I assume that was a text and he asked to use the phone in the premises, probably to check that the information was correct. He then left.

It wasn't Arlingo, he left the Tapas at 9.40; ". Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant" http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

I expect it was the search organisers contacting staff to help.

*Note the reference to the guest cards*

That statement does not say what you declared it did, by the way. I think that's why cites are needed.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2018, 08:40:18 PM »
I can decipher it quite easily. An English MW employee was in the Millenium between 10.30 and 11.00 when he got information on his phone. I assume that was a text and he asked to use the phone in the premises, probably to check that the information was correct. He then left.

It wasn't Arlingo, he left the Tapas at 9.40; ". Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant" http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

I expect it was the search organisers contacting staff to help.

*Note the reference to the guest cards*

That statement does not say what you declared it did, by the way. I think that's why cites are needed.
Look I think your analysis starts off well until you say it wasn't Arlindo because of times given but if Arlindo's statement aligns with any other it has to be assumed be was out by about half an hour. Have you not accepted that yet?

As far not saying what I declared, who knows for you have not made a specific point, so I don't know what you are alleging.
But you had emboldened
"One person at the Millennium gets a call from an English citizen from over at the Tapas."

An English person at the Millennium gets a text message, what language is it in?  Probably in English  OK guessing now and the only place that the original message has to originate is the tapas area for that is where action is happening.

OK I should have said "it is possible a person at the Millennium gets a call from an English citizen from over at the Tapas" for I can't be sure.  That Jeronimo guy seems to be bilingual. and it was Jeronimo who asked Arlindo to ring so maybe he did it instead.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2018, 10:49:25 PM »
Look I think your analysis starts off well until you say it wasn't Arlindo because of times given but if Arlindo's statement aligns with any other it has to be assumed be was out by about half an hour. Have you not accepted that yet?

As far not saying what I declared, who knows for you have not made a specific point, so I don't know what you are alleging.
But you had emboldened
"One person at the Millennium gets a call from an English citizen from over at the Tapas."

An English person at the Millennium gets a text message, what language is it in?  Probably in English  OK guessing now and the only place that the original message has to originate is the tapas area for that is where action is happening.

OK I should have said "it is possible a person at the Millennium gets a call from an English citizen from over at the Tapas" for I can't be sure.  That Jeronimo guy seems to be bilingual. and it was Jeronimo who asked Arlindo to ring so maybe he did it instead.

Why does it have to be Arlindo who was wrong? At least three other people report something happening at around 9.30;
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2018, 11:05:44 PM »
Why does it have to be Arlindo who was wrong? At least three other people report something happening at around 9.30;
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CAROLINE CARPENTER
Good question and no doubt part of the answer to this case, so there isn't any off the shelf easy answer, but believe me I'm working on it.

You have given me a clue.  Do you know the answer to your own question?  I'm picking you don't.  well how would you even begin to explain the "timing errors"? 
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Offline jassi

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2018, 08:49:14 AM »
Good question and no doubt part of the answer to this case, so there isn't any off the shelf easy answer, but believe me I'm working on it.

You have given me a clue.  Do you know the answer to your own question?  I'm picking you don't.  well how would you even begin to explain the "timing errors"?

Those with least to lose are more likely to give more reliable times and answers - IMO
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