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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2018, 10:14:58 AM »
Good question and no doubt part of the answer to this case, so there isn't any off the shelf easy answer, but believe me I'm working on it.

You have given me a clue.  Do you know the answer to your own question?  I'm picking you don't.  well how would you even begin to explain the "timing errors"?

If the Tapas 9 didn't order until 9 pm the serving and eating times make sense. If they were all present and ordered at 8.30 pm, however......

 At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2018, 10:53:40 AM »
Why does it have to be Arlindo who was wrong? At least three other people report something happening at around 9.30;
HELDER_LUIS
BAREND JAN JACOB WEIJDOM
CAROLINE CARPENTER
Helder Luis - was at the  main reception so all his timing information is 2nd hand.
BAREND JAN JACOB WEIJDOM  he arrives later.
CAROLINE CARPENTER - no statement from her.

Barend:  "He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine."  Well that is part of my theory that someone other than Kate and Gerry are already searching for Madeleine soon after 21:40 PM  but that search does not involve the whole of the Tapas group.  So the table is not cleared then.

Stephen Carpenter Statement sort of confirms a similar timing.

Who rang Helder?

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2018, 11:29:38 AM »
Barend's statement
Helder's statement

Helder states:  "He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared." 
Who from the Tapas staff rings Helder, yet Jeronimo asks Arlindo to ring the Millennium.  So 9:30 - 10:00 could be right, in that Arlindo is also apprised of Madeleine's disappearance ahead of Kate and Gerry too.  Helder must have been quite concerned for he says he rang the Police.  "That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, .... "  but they were busy on other call outs remember.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2018, 06:06:21 PM »
What I find really surprising is that Helder couldn't be precise about the time that the call came through to him.  I might have noted the time of an important call like that came through and surely the Police have a record of his call to them.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2018, 08:01:36 PM »
What I find really surprising is that Helder couldn't be precise about the time that the call came through to him.  I might have noted the time of an important call like that came through and surely the Police have a record of his call to them.

It was an internal call, so wouldn't show up. He didn't, of course, ring the GNR at that time. Nor did he ring his boss. If he did it wasn't on the Greentrust landline in reception. AFAIK he was never asked to explain those anomalies.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2018, 08:09:29 PM »
It was an internal call, so wouldn't show up. He didn't, of course, ring the GNR at that time. Nor did he ring his boss. If he did it wasn't on the Greentrust landline in reception. AFAIK he was never asked to explain those anomalies.
Why did you say he didn't ring his boss, his boss being whom?  Somehow Robin Crossland or Crosland (another name with multiple spellings) found out and doesn't Robin say John Hill spoke to him.  So who spoke to John Hill?
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2018, 08:14:28 PM »
Robin Crossland ". That at around 22h15 of 03 May 2007, he was alone in his residence, situated in Lagos, and was contacted by John Hill, Mark Warner manager who works in the Ocean Club establishment and who informed him that a child, a minor, of the feminine sex, who was staying with her family in that resort, had disappeared and that he was going to initiate the 'procedure for missing child' (sic);
. The deponent left toward the local where he arrived at 22H25 and there found John Hill and other functionaries, Silvia Batista, Joao Batista, the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; "

So from that Silvia is met by Robin earlier than she claims to have been phoned by him, and she still has the 15 minute dive to work to account for.
Was she really at home in Lagos when the call was made?  Unexplained speed of travel?
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2018, 08:28:26 PM »
Why did you say he didn't ring his boss, his boss being whom?  Somehow Robin Crossland or Crosland (another name with multiple spellings) found out and doesn't Robin say John Hill spoke to him.  Who spoke to John Hill?

His boss was Vitor Santos. His number wasn't called on the Greentrust landline.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2018, 08:47:11 PM »
His boss was Vitor Santos. His number wasn't called on the Greentrust landline.
And this is what Vitor Santos says: "With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere."

So we have a chain of events,
1.  Someone rang Helder from the Tapas area. 
2.  Helder rang John Hill and the GNR but the GNR were busy at Odiaxere.
3.  John Hill rang Robin Crossland and
4.  Robin rang Silvia Batista.

So was it the Executive Chef Arlindo that rang Helder in the first place?  Does that chain of events make it so that when Matt arrives asking that the Police please be called the receptionists are thinking the Police have already been called.  But Matt does not report this response.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2018, 07:54:26 AM »
This seems rather strange to me.
"we don't know if the staff knew to leave the secondary reception door open but the Manager (Executive Chef) who spent most of his time at the Millennium Restaurant hadn't agreed to it or knew about it. His visit that night was like a random spot check. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm
Even on the PJ file lists he is not thought of as a Tapas employee yet he is the manager!    The file doesn't really acknowledge him as being there.  (he is there but no one mentions him by name, so in some way he doesn't have an alibi.  Yet in his statement he admits being there at the time Madeleine disappears.
No one gives Arlindo an alibi!  That is extremely strange IMO.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2018, 08:20:25 AM »
This seems rather strange to me.
"we don't know if the staff knew to leave the secondary reception door open but the Manager (Executive Chef) who spent most of his time at the Millennium Restaurant hadn't agreed to it or knew about it. His visit that night was like a random spot check. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm
Even on the PJ file lists he is not thought of as a Tapas employee yet he is the manager!    The file doesn't really acknowledge him as being there.  (he is there but no one mentions him by name, so in some way he doesn't have an alibi.  Yet in his statement he admits being there at the time Madeleine disappears.
No one gives Arlindo an alibi!  That is extremely strange IMO.

His interest was the kitchen; food storage, preparation, cooking and serving. I don't think he was in charge of the whole facility. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2018, 08:29:47 AM »
He is on a list of employees "Arlindo Peleja - Executive Chef, in charge of all 5 kitchens, Central Kitchen"  file:///C:/Users/Robert/Downloads/ocean_club_staff.pdf

This is someone else's study which may give us some clues but not answers "8. Tapas clients

Phillip Edmonds, another guest on the Tapas list with his 2 boys for a meal at 19.00, chatted to the McCanns and may be able to clarify what he saw before he left and any person he saw after leaving the restaurant. Not having given a statement, we don’t know what time he left the restaurant but it must have been before 21.10, time Arlindo Peleja arrived.

Neither did the mysterious Irwin sisters, booked for 20.30 give statements. Were they added to the list in error, when it should have been the sisters Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire"
http://textusa.blogspot.co.nz/2016/06/reconstruction-for-may-3rd-3007.html

Textusa seems to take Arlindo's times at face value but I have shown they were about 30 minutes out.
But I had never heard of Philip Edmonds before!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2018, 08:33:15 AM »
Has anyone come across Phillip Edmonds in the file?  He is not in the alphabetical listing.
He has not been mentioned on the forum before!

Was he on the Tapas booking sheet?  Where did this name come from?

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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2018, 08:44:50 AM »
Arlindo is also mentioned in this study "The eight independent Alarm witnesses" http://genreith.de/MMcC/doku.php?id=alarm-witnesses

Just a copy of statement sections  "Time: 21:20↔21:40 (average 21:30)

21:20, Executive Chef A.E.G.F.P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few metres away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples…"  nothing conclusive.
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Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2018, 10:31:58 AM »
Pages and pages of Google and then this "The invisibile Jane"
English/Deutsch  http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/invisibile-jane.html

Inspired by Pat Brown's visit to Praia da Luz and the subsequent renewed discussion about the Tanner sighting I revisited my photo selection and some statements from the files again. The core mystery and the only "evidence" for an abduction still remains Jane Tanner's statement of when she encountered eggman aka the abductor.

Part of her statement again:
Questioned about the path she took on the way to her home, she relates that she left the reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area and went up the pavement to the corner, having entered the apartment by the front door, which was, as already stated, locked.
Then we have the statement by Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja, the executive chef at the Ocean's Club regarding that evening:
When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus.....After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant.....
So shortly before Jane saw the abductor, we have 2 cars parked in that road. This is confirmed by the statement of Stephen Carpenter who left the Tapas Bar around the time of the sighting:
Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home.... When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment
At 22:00 an employee of the Ocean Club left the carpark of Block 6 and saw only one car left on that road:
After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;
So at the time of Jane's vision at 21:15 there would have been one car parked under the McCann's kitchen window and another car closer to the Tapas entrance. Assuming these cars did not park on the curb - which would make Jane's path even narrower - this would roughly be the situation Jane faced after having turned left at the exit of the Tapas Bar:




Is there ANY chance BOTH men would have failed to notice the woman flip-flopping past them on the pavement?

Why did she nor Gerry mention the cars? They could have been used to explain why the men had not seen her had she claimed to have used the other side of the road. But since she did such an exact drawing in her first statement of the way she walked up to the crossing there was no chance to use these cars to their advantage. So it was better not to mention them at all, since even the visually impaired would see that she must have been invisible to pass them. The cars narrow down the path she could have taken and make it impossible not to notice her."
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