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Offline Robittybob1

Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« on: January 08, 2018, 10:36:49 AM »
471 to 473-Witness statement of Arlindo Epifano Goncalves Fernandes Peleja 2007.05.07

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

Do any of his direct reports mention his presence at the Tapas Restaurant?    Was there any attempt to locate the car he says was outside the reception entrance?

Who were the three couples in the esplanade?  Were the Tapas nine group sitting in the Esplanade?  If they were the Tapas 9 he was referring to why does he have them vacating the table so early?
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Offline Carana

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 11:14:03 AM »
471 to 473-Witness statement of Arlindo Epifano Goncalves Fernandes Peleja 2007.05.07

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

Do any of his direct reports mention his presence at the Tapas Restaurant?    Was there any attempt to locate the car he says was outside the reception entrance?

Who were the three couples in the esplanade?  Were the Tapas nine group sitting in the Esplanade?  If they were the Tapas 9 he was referring to why does he have them vacating the table so early?

I can't recall re the car, Rob.

I just checked the PT: it does say "esplanada", but it can also mean terrace - which makes more sense.

Re "leaving early" - it would take time to wade through again, and I don't think we have a thread on that issue on here, but some statements describe events, and that can be corroborated by cross-checking with others, almost to withinn 5 mins or so - but with a 1-hour time difference.

Unless there's a time zone difference running through half the village, both can't be right.

That has led to all kinds of "init" theories, but my best guess is that as there were so many witnesses to get statements from ASAP, different officers may have had a flipchart of the approximate timing of events in their offices, and one of them got mixed up, and just filled in the time with the wrong hour to get on with the next witness to interview.

Offline jassi

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 12:04:14 PM »
I can't recall re the car, Rob.

I just checked the PT: it does say "esplanada", but it can also mean terrace - which makes more sense.

Re "leaving early" - it would take time to wade through again, and I don't think we have a thread on that issue on here, but some statements describe events, and that can be corroborated by cross-checking with others, almost to withinn 5 mins or so - but with a 1-hour time difference.

Unless there's a time zone difference running through half the village, both can't be right.

That has led to all kinds of "init" theories, but my best guess is that as there were so many witnesses to get statements from ASAP, different officers may have had a flipchart of the approximate timing of events in their offices, and one of them got mixed up, and just filled in the time with the wrong hour to get on with the next witness to interview.

In the case of this witness, he gives 3 times that all correspond, so unlikely to a simple mix-up of times and no possibility of a translation error
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Carana

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 01:37:21 PM »
In the case of this witness, he gives 3 times that all correspond, so unlikely to a simple mix-up of times and no possibility of a translation error

There a quite a few in the files, though, Jassi. If it had been just one, I'd have put it down to a typo.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 05:41:14 PM »
In the case of this witness, he gives 3 times that all correspond, so unlikely to a simple mix-up of times and no possibility of a translation error
Correspond to what?  It is a correspondence that I need but is it real?
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Offline jassi

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 06:53:04 PM »
Correspond to what?  It is a correspondence that I need but is it real?

Correspond to one another. He gives a sequence of times so it is unlikely that they were all transcribed incorrectly. No doubt the police were able to confirm if these times were accurate. - eg the staff at the main restaurant would know when he left to go to the Tapas - maybe not to the exact  minute, but not 30 or 40 minutes adrift.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 06:57:14 PM »
Correspond to one another. He gives a sequence of times so it is unlikely that they were all transcribed incorrectly. No doubt the police were able to confirm if these times were accurate. - eg the staff at the main restaurant would know when he left to go to the Tapas - maybe not to the exact  minute, but not 30 or 40 minutes adrift.
But does anyone there even mention him?  How can I tell if he is not making the whole story up?  What part of what he does  say can be confirmed by anyone else?
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Offline jassi

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 06:59:38 PM »
But does anyone there even mention him? How can I tell if he is not making the whole story up? What part of what he does  say can be confirmed by anyone else?

You can't, but why should he?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 07:16:33 PM »
You can't, but why should he?
The whole idea of witness statements is that what they say is supposed to be the truth.  Generally facts and events mentioned by the witness will be mentioned by other witnesses which then confirms that it was likely to be true.

Let's look at each paragraph in turn and see if any part can be confirmed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm
". Is a functionary of the Ocean Club establishment since the 13th of January of the current year (2007), and is employed as executive chef of the kitchen. He clarifies that along with being responsible for the five (5) kitchens (one of whom is the Tapas) of the Ocean Club, his post essentially centres on the principal kitchen next to a reception, close to the restaurant MIRAGE. His work takes him occasionally to the other kitchens; "

If we Google Mirage restaurant praia da luz do we get a result?

There is a restaurant caled the Mirage "Mirage Restaurant
 Rua do Ramalhete"  So is this the one " .... next to a reception, close to the restaurant MIRAGE."?

Well according to Google Earth Rua do Ramalhete is nowhere near either the main reception or the secondary reception.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 07:22:38 PM »
Strangely enough the Mirage restaurant is for sale and the real estate agent is Sergey Malinka  https://livealgarve.com/property/264
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 07:30:59 PM »
Next sentence:  "He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly; "

You would think that the presence of the executive chef would be enough for some of the other staff to mention it.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 07:44:09 PM »
Next bit:  ". When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one.
. After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else." 

9:10 is when Gerry Jane and Jez were out and about.  Did they see any cars pull up?
Previously I thought when he saw a table occupied by three couples he could have been taking about the Tapas 9 with at least 3 of them away.  We might say it was possible that Jane and Gerry had left so that might look as if there were 3 couples still seated.  Was it the Tapas 9 or was it some other group?

When he says he saw no one else?  Had Stephen Carpenter and his friends left by that stage?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 08:01:24 PM »
Next bit:  ". A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location; "

I sort of wondering what did he hear and if he had some sense in what direction the noise came from?  I am not sure of the spatial arrangement of those seated in the esplanade and the restaurant.  Was he walking toward the noise or away from it?
Why didn't he go and check it out?
Who informed him at 9:20 a child had disappeared?  If he had been there at 10:20 PM I could understand the story line, but then he should have noticed the Tapas mob making a dash for the exit.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 08:09:20 PM »
His times are completely out. The alarm was not raised at 21:20.

A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 08:21:18 PM »
His times are completely out. The alarm was not raised at 21:20.

A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm
So why is he an hour out with his times?  Could he be just  half an hour out?
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