Is any of Arlindo's statement confirmed by anyone else?

[pathfinder73]

Pages and pages of Google and then this "The invisibile Jane"
English/Deutsch  http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/invisibile-jane.html

Inspired by Pat Brown's visit to Praia da Luz and the subsequent renewed discussion about the Tanner sighting I revisited my photo selection and some statements from the files again. The core mystery and the only "evidence" for an abduction still remains Jane Tanner's statement of when she encountered eggman aka the abductor.

Part of her statement again:
Questioned about the path she took on the way to her home, she relates that she left the reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area and went up the pavement to the corner, having entered the apartment by the front door, which was, as already stated, locked.
Then we have the statement by Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja, the executive chef at the Ocean's Club regarding that evening:
When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus.....After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant.....
So shortly before Jane saw the abductor, we have 2 cars parked in that road. This is confirmed by the statement of Stephen Carpenter who left the Tapas Bar around the time of the sighting:
Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home.... When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment
At 22:00 an employee of the Ocean Club left the carpark of Block 6 and saw only one car left on that road:
After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;
So at the time of Jane's vision at 21:15 there would have been one car parked under the McCann's kitchen window and another car closer to the Tapas entrance. Assuming these cars did not park on the curb - which would make Jane's path even narrower - this would roughly be the situation Jane faced after having turned left at the exit of the Tapas Bar:




Is there ANY chance BOTH men would have failed to notice the woman flip-flopping past them on the pavement?

Why did she nor Gerry mention the cars? They could have been used to explain why the men had not seen her had she claimed to have used the other side of the road. But since she did such an exact drawing in her first statement of the way she walked up to the crossing there was no chance to use these cars to their advantage. So it was better not to mention them at all, since even the visually impaired would see that she must have been invisible to pass them. The cars narrow down the path she could have taken and make it impossible not to notice her."

Because there were none. Jane confirmed it in her rog. Have you seen the reconstruction with Gerry and Jane? No vehicles. Have you read JW statement? No vehicles.

[Robittybob1]

Because there were none. Jane confirmed it in her rog. Have you seen the reconstruction with Gerry and Jane? No vehicles. Have you read JW statement? No vehicles.

So where was the vehicle Arlindo was talking about?
I had thought Arlindo drove there too but that fact is not covered in the statement. I would have thought the coming and going by Arlindo should have been questioned by the PJ.

[pathfinder73]

Obviously his timeline is wrong. It's not rocket science.

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples; http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

[Robittybob1]

Obviously his timeline is wrong. It's not rocket science.

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples; http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

As I did, I went through the entire Google results for Arlindo + McCann and I copied parts of the results above.  You are the first person other than myself to write it down "Obviously his timeline is wrong".  It has taken 11 years for two people to agree on that one point.

I would like SY to ask the PJ to bring him in for additional questioning.  It isn't clear why he didn't stay to assist with the search,  How does he leave the area, by car or on foot?  What phone calls did he make?  (luckily they have the records - do they know his number?)  He is the only person in the file that admits to leaving the area of the missing child after the alarm is called. Well that I am aware of anyway.

[jassi]

As I did, I went through the entire Google results for Arlindo + McCann and I copied parts of the results above.  You are the first person other than myself to write it down "Obviously his timeline is wrong".  It has taken 11 years for two people to agree on that one point.

I would like SY to ask the PJ to bring him in for additional questioning.  It isn't clear why he didn't stay to assist with the search,  How does he leave the area, by car or on foot?  What phone calls did he make?  (luckily they have the records - do they know his number?)  He is the only person in the file that admits to leaving the area of the missing child after the alarm is called. Well that I am aware of anyway.

Get real. OG have done with all the fishing trips - IMO

[Robittybob1]

Get real. OG have done with all the fishing trips - IMO

It is basically a PJ response that is needed.

[sadie]

Pages and pages of Google and then this "The invisibile Jane"
English/Deutsch  http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/invisibile-jane.html

Inspired by Pat Brown's visit to Praia da Luz and the subsequent renewed discussion about the Tanner sighting I revisited my photo selection and some statements from the files again. The core mystery and the only "evidence" for an abduction still remains Jane Tanner's statement of when she encountered eggman aka the abductor.

Part of her statement again:
Questioned about the path she took on the way to her home, she relates that she left the reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area and went up the pavement to the corner, having entered the apartment by the front door, which was, as already stated, locked.
Then we have the statement by Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja, the executive chef at the Ocean's Club regarding that evening:
When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus.....After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant.....
So shortly before Jane saw the abductor, we have 2 cars parked in that road. This is confirmed by the statement of Stephen Carpenter who left the Tapas Bar around the time of the sighting:
Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home.... When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment
At 22:00 an employee of the Ocean Club left the carpark of Block 6 and saw only one car left on that road:
After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;
So at the time of Jane's vision at 21:15 there would have been one car parked under the McCann's kitchen window and another car closer to the Tapas entrance. Assuming these cars did not park on the curb - which would make Jane's path even narrower - this would roughly be the situation Jane faced after having turned left at the exit of the Tapas Bar:




Is there ANY chance BOTH men would have failed to notice the woman flip-flopping past them on the pavement?

Why did she nor Gerry mention the cars? They could have been used to explain why the men had not seen her had she claimed to have used the other side of the road. But since she did such an exact drawing in her first statement of the way she walked up to the crossing there was no chance to use these cars to their advantage. So it was better not to mention them at all, since even the visually impaired would see that she must have been invisible to pass them. The cars narrow down the path she could have taken and make it impossible not to notice her."

So at the time of Jane's vision at 21:15 there would have been one car parked under the McCann's kitchen window and another car closer to the Tapas entrance

How do you get that Rob ?


Stephen Carpenter stated "When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment"

IOW, Stephen saw two cars[/b] and they were positioned between about 6 metres away from him and some metres short of the back of 5A. 

So, one was parked before (south of) the alleyway ... and the other car, if it was some metres from the back of Gerrys apartment, must have been parked partially across the alleyway where Gerry  and Jez chatted as Jane passed by.  There is no room for any other configuration in the specified space by Stephen Carpenter

So as I surmised before, Jez must have been standing between two cars as he chatted and Gerry could not see Jane as she passed anyway because she was essentially behind him all the time she walked up that road

[Robittybob1]

Email sent to Operation Grange:
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to Operation.Gran., operation.gran., investigation
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

Hi there I study the McCann full time and recently I have completed a study on Arlindo Pelega  which you can read on http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8970.msg439667#msg439667


I would like Scotland Yard to ask the PJ to bring him in for additional questioning.
1. It isn't clear why he didn't stay to assist with the search, 
2. How does he leave the area, by car or on foot? 
3. What phone calls did he make?  (luckily they have the records - do they know his number?) 

4.  And most importantly he is the only person in the file that admits to leaving the area (the vicinity) of the missing child after the alarm is called. (Well the only one that I am aware of anyway.)"

[Robittybob1]

So at the time of Jane's vision at 21:15 there would have been one car parked under the McCann's kitchen window and another car closer to the Tapas entrance

How do you get that Rob ?


Stephen Carpenter stated "When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment"

IOW, Stephen saw two cars[/b] and they were positioned between about 6 metres away from him and some metres short of the back of 5A. 

So, one was parked before (south of) the alleyway ... and the other car, if it was some metres from the back of Gerrys apartment, must have been parked partially across the alleyway where Gerry  and Jez chatted as Jane passed by.  There is no room for any other configuration in the specified space by Stephen Carpenter

So as I surmised before, Jez must have been standing between two cars as he chatted and Gerry could not see Jane as she passed anyway because she was essentially behind him all the time she walked up that road

The position of the cars is from someone else's work.  I'm not condoning it  but I put it there as it one of the very few articles discussing Arlindo Pelega.  It was additionally interesting as it proposed parked cars along the route to the apartments.
I have not read it but the link is there to the original. 

[Robittybob1]

Because there were none. Jane confirmed it in her rog. Have you seen the reconstruction with Gerry and Jane? No vehicles. Have you read JW statement? No vehicles.

Does a person remember parked cars?
"Reply 'No, not really, you might get the occasional car come into that car park, but mostly the car park you wouldn't have seen cars in, erm, and it's not really through road, when you look at the map it's sort of like on a 'U', so you've got the, a more main road at the top and one main T-junction to go down at the far end of the two apartment complexes, you didn't really get much through traffic, even going down the hill to the Supermarket there wasn't, there was always cars parked down there  Matthew Oldfield Rogatory.

[Robittybob1]

Does a person remember parked cars?
"Reply 'No, not really, you might get the occasional car come into that car park, but mostly the car park you wouldn't have seen cars in, erm, and it's not really through road, when you look at the map it's sort of like on a 'U', so you've got the, a more main road at the top and one main T-junction to go down at the far end of the two apartment complexes, you didn't really get much through traffic, even going down the hill to the Supermarket there wasn't, there was always cars parked down there  Matthew Oldfield Rogatory.

Arlindo says he arrives by car  ". When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10,"  he sees another car parked there  "he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one. "

So there was a time when we can assume there were at least two cars parked near the reception entrance.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

[pathfinder73]

Does a person remember parked cars?
"Reply 'No, not really, you might get the occasional car come into that car park, but mostly the car park you wouldn't have seen cars in, erm, and it's not really through road, when you look at the map it's sort of like on a 'U', so you've got the, a more main road at the top and one main T-junction to go down at the far end of the two apartment complexes, you didn't really get much through traffic, even going down the hill to the Supermarket there wasn't, there was always cars parked down there  Matthew Oldfield Rogatory.

That's towards Baptista - wrong direction.

[Robittybob1]

Still in the direction that Jez is approaching from.  Even if you discount these cars what about the two cars Arlindo talks about?

[sadie]

Arlindo says he arrives by car  ". When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10,"  he sees another car parked there  "he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one. "

So there was a time when we can assume there were at least two cars parked near the reception entrance.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

Yep, and that is confirmed by Stephen Carpenter whose statement also points to the fact that they were parked in the area some metres south of 5A and some 6 metres north of the Tapas reception exit.

This means that one car was parked partially across the entrance to the alleyway: the alleyway that Gerry and Jez chatted on.

So Jez was positioned in the roiad, between two cars whilst Gerry was partially in / on the kerb.   Therefore Jezes view of the pavement that Jane walked along was restricted somewhat by the cars and further by the bulk of Jerrys body.  Jerry couldn't see Jane at all cos she was always beyond his field of vision.  She was always behind him from the Tapas reception all the way up to the junction at the top of R. Francisco G. Martins (Tannerman Corner)

[Robittybob1]

Yep, and that is confirmed by Stephen Carpenter whose statement also points to the fact that they were parked in the area some metres south of 5A and some 6 metres north of the Tapas reception exit.

This means that one car was parked partially across the entrance to the alleyway: the alleyway that Gerry and Jez chatted on.

So Jez was positioned in the roiad, between two cars whilst Gerry was partially in / on the kerb.   Therefore Jezes view of the pavement that Jane walked along was restricted somewhat by the cars and further by the bulk of Jerrys body.  Jerry couldn't see Jane at all cos she was always beyond his field of vision.  She was always behind him from the Tapas reception all the way up to the junction at the top of R. Francisco G. Martins (Tannerman Corner)

It would be made worse if any of the vehicles were a van.