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Offline jassi

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2018, 05:01:15 PM »
If she & uncle went more or less in straight line between the two house, it would seem unlikely that she could have encountered Black, unless he was well off the road, and away from his van/lorry
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline John

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2018, 07:30:21 PM »
If she & uncle went more or less in straight line between the two house, it would seem unlikely that she could have encountered Black, unless he was well off the road, and away from his van/lorry

This is an extremely remote location, any unusual vehicle movements are usually noted by locals as I myself found out very recently while searching for someone in Donegal.  I can't see Robert Black getting a Ford Transit van anywhere near that farm unnoticed let alone have the opportunity to abduct Mary so close to the cottage and with the uncle in earshot.  All very odd indeed but the conduct of the Irish authorities has been atrocious!

Full marks to Daniel O'Donnell's sister Margo for her epic efforts in trying to bring this mystery to a conclusion!
« Last Edit: January 10, 2018, 07:37:56 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2018, 07:56:15 PM »
I suppose in the final analysis the efficacy of the result will be judged on whether the girls parents were McCann supporters or sceptics.

sort of as in the punchline of a Weegie joke "stop p*****g us aboot Jimmy are yous a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew ?".

 (&^& (&^& (&^&

This can be changed to Muslim...oh blessed are the ignorant for they shall do well in politix...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2018, 08:00:46 PM »
If Robert Black had been a prime suspect in the Mary Boyle case you would assume he had been questioned rigorously at least once by the Irish police, wouldn't you, and yet although we know of several children's disappearance he was questioned over there is no documentary evidence that he was ever questioned over Mary.

Indeed! Bringing RB into the mix makes for strange reading. It does fit his abduction skill and knowledge set perfectly. Was he walking about and met Mary or see her from a road?

The family behaviour is still very strange indeed. I wonder if this is guilt for Marys disappearance and the shame of being called bad parents or something... I am unsure now.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2018, 08:12:02 PM »
Maddie’s Irish Family Speaks Out
September 24, 2007
By Paddy Clancy
 
MISSING British toddler Madeleine McCann’s Donegal-born grandmother, Eileen McCann, has stoutly defended the child’s parents after they were named as formal suspects in the disappearance.

Eileen McCann said her son Gerry and his wife Kate would never do anything to harm their child. She claimed there was no substantial evidence linking the couple to the disappearance; that the Portuguese police were “just clutching at straws.”

Eileen added in an interview with Donegal’s Highland Radio that she was convinced whoever took three-year-old Madeleine from the family’s holiday apartment in Portugal had drugged her beforehand.

“If she was taken by somebody she did not know when she was sleeping she would have screamed the place down. I really believe they gave her a drug. There is no way they carried her out of there without her wakening,” Eileen said.

Congregations in churches throughout Donegal prayed last weekend for the McCann family after Portuguese police revealed they were suspects.

Portuguese investigators are reported to believe Maddie may have been accidentally killed by her mother and that in a desperate cover-up bid, Gerry helped bury the body at sea.

Friends and relatives in Donegal were stunned when the theory was reported, but quickly rallied to support of the stricken family when some legal experts warned that the evidence against them was almost non-existent.

Leading Irish barrister Anthony McDermott said the Portuguese police had nothing that could secure a conviction, based on the evidence already leaked by them. The evidence includes claims that police dogs had sniffed out the scent of death in the holiday apartment and in a car hired by the McCann’s 25 days after the disappearance.

“It’s a non-existent case, unless there’s something else,” McDermott said.

Little Madeleine disappeared in Portugal’s popular Algarve tourist province in May, just weeks after she holidayed with her family in Donegal at Easter. They spent more than a week in the Rosses area, staying mostly in a boarding house in Dungloe.

Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie were with their parents and their great-uncle Hughie, as well as their grandmother Eileen, also known as Ellen, who was born in the area.

Eileen was a member of a Ferry family with links to the villages of Crolly and Burtonport. In the mid-1960s she married Hughie’s brother Johnny McCann from St. Johnston in east Donegal and they emigrated to Scotland.

The Easter holiday was one of many that family members used to take in Donegal almost every year, but rarely did so many of them travel together to Ireland before.

On their way back to Belfast Airport they stopped at a pub in St. Johnston which Hughie and Johnny owned before they emigrated.

Current owner Joe Peoples said when Maddie disappeared, “They always made a point of calling in for a couple of drinks and a chat.

“The little girl, Maddie, was running around in the bar, playing away and really enjoying herself. She’s such a beautiful child, a wee dote.

“I’m praying for the phone call that will tell me she has been found and that she is okay.”

Peoples said Maddie’s dad Gerry is proud of his Donegal roots. “They keep very much in touch. They came to St. Johnston almost every year –- the years they missed were few and far between.

“This year they just decided they would like to spend a little more time around the Rosses so they opted to stay in Dungloe.”

Maddie’s parents, both physicians, have returned from Portugal to their home in England where, according to the Daily Mail, lawyers acting for them are going back through Portuguese newspapers to look for evidence of “black propaganda” planted by police.

They hope to be able to prove that Portuguese detectives have been leaking negative stories about the McCanns in a bid to besmirch them.

The McCanns also this week brought in former British Foreign Office official Clarence Mitchell to act as the family spokesman.

http://www.irishabroad.com/Modules/CMS/Articles/DSSPrintArticle.aspx?ArticleID=1832
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2018, 08:43:02 PM »
Maddie’s Irish Family Speaks Out
September 24, 2007
By Paddy Clancy
 
MISSING British toddler Madeleine McCann’s Donegal-born grandmother, Eileen McCann, has stoutly defended the child’s parents after they were named as formal suspects in the disappearance.

Eileen McCann said her son Gerry and his wife Kate would never do anything to harm their child. She claimed there was no substantial evidence linking the couple to the disappearance; that the Portuguese police were “just clutching at straws.”

Eileen added in an interview with Donegal’s Highland Radio that she was convinced whoever took three-year-old Madeleine from the family’s holiday apartment in Portugal had drugged her beforehand.

“If she was taken by somebody she did not know when she was sleeping she would have screamed the place down. I really believe they gave her a drug. There is no way they carried her out of there without her wakening,” Eileen said.

Congregations in churches throughout Donegal prayed last weekend for the McCann family after Portuguese police revealed they were suspects.

Portuguese investigators are reported to believe Maddie may have been accidentally killed by her mother and that in a desperate cover-up bid, Gerry helped bury the body at sea.

Friends and relatives in Donegal were stunned when the theory was reported, but quickly rallied to support of the stricken family when some legal experts warned that the evidence against them was almost non-existent.

Leading Irish barrister Anthony McDermott said the Portuguese police had nothing that could secure a conviction, based on the evidence already leaked by them. The evidence includes claims that police dogs had sniffed out the scent of death in the holiday apartment and in a car hired by the McCann’s 25 days after the disappearance.

“It’s a non-existent case, unless there’s something else,” McDermott said.

Little Madeleine disappeared in Portugal’s popular Algarve tourist province in May, just weeks after she holidayed with her family in Donegal at Easter. They spent more than a week in the Rosses area, staying mostly in a boarding house in Dungloe.

Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie were with their parents and their great-uncle Hughie, as well as their grandmother Eileen, also known as Ellen, who was born in the area.

Eileen was a member of a Ferry family with links to the villages of Crolly and Burtonport. In the mid-1960s she married Hughie’s brother Johnny McCann from St. Johnston in east Donegal and they emigrated to Scotland.

The Easter holiday was one of many that family members used to take in Donegal almost every year, but rarely did so many of them travel together to Ireland before.

On their way back to Belfast Airport they stopped at a pub in St. Johnston which Hughie and Johnny owned before they emigrated.

Current owner Joe Peoples said when Maddie disappeared, “They always made a point of calling in for a couple of drinks and a chat.

“The little girl, Maddie, was running around in the bar, playing away and really enjoying herself. She’s such a beautiful child, a wee dote.

“I’m praying for the phone call that will tell me she has been found and that she is okay.”

Peoples said Maddie’s dad Gerry is proud of his Donegal roots. “They keep very much in touch. They came to St. Johnston almost every year –- the years they missed were few and far between.

“This year they just decided they would like to spend a little more time around the Rosses so they opted to stay in Dungloe.”

Maddie’s parents, both physicians, have returned from Portugal to their home in England where, according to the Daily Mail, lawyers acting for them are going back through Portuguese newspapers to look for evidence of “black propaganda” planted by police.

They hope to be able to prove that Portuguese detectives have been leaking negative stories about the McCanns in a bid to besmirch them.

The McCanns also this week brought in former British Foreign Office official Clarence Mitchell to act as the family spokesman.

http://www.irishabroad.com/Modules/CMS/Articles/DSSPrintArticle.aspx?ArticleID=1832

enbolden... yeah they got the best protection money could buy. Not their money mind you!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2018, 11:09:03 PM »
If Robert Black had been a prime suspect in the Mary Boyle case you would assume he had been questioned rigorously at least once by the Irish police, wouldn't you, and yet although we know of several children's disappearance he was questioned over there is no documentary evidence that he was ever questioned over Mary.

Please attempt to get your facts straight.
No one on this forum suggested that Robert Black was a prime suspect in Mary Boyle's disappearance, perhaps the media did. I said that in my opinion Mary's disappearance matched the preferred technique used by a convicted child killer known to have worked in Donegal.

If there is to be a cold case review including taking a look at the possibility that Robert Black could have had something to do with Mary's disappearance, confirmation of the possibility would include evidence which would place him in the vicinity of where Mary was last seen and that may exist.
Snip
Mary vanished in Cashelard in March 1977. Former detective Clark says he has evidence van driver Black was working in the area at the time.

Clark said Black returned in 1978, raising fears he was hunting for another victim.

“There is confirmation that when Mary went missing Black was a regular visitor at a pub in County Donegal. He appears on a Garda charge sheet for after hours drinking,” he said.
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/07/27/cold-case-expert-robert-black-killed-mary-boyle-and-came-back-to-donegal-intending-to-kill-again/

Just because a conspiracy theorist has decided she 'knows' better than the police ... why ignore the fact that Mary could have fallen victim to a child serial killer who might have used his tried and tested method for bundling little girls into his van ... and go with the conspiracy yet again.

I despair of the ease with which the rule of law is being cast aside by some to be replaced with a cheer leader ~ a video camera ~ the internet and a mandatory baying mob.
There is a burden of proof required to enable justice to work.  Sigh ... how lightly our rights are dispensed with to be so lightly replaced by the proper camera angle ~ preferably a fly over drone ~ and the ever present conspiracy theory.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2018, 11:40:28 PM »
Please attempt to get your facts straight.
No one on this forum suggested that Robert Black was a prime suspect in Mary Boyle's disappearance, perhaps the media did. I said that in my opinion Mary's disappearance matched the preferred technique used by a convicted child killer known to have worked in Donegal.

If there is to be a cold case review including taking a look at the possibility that Robert Black could have had something to do with Mary's disappearance, confirmation of the possibility would include evidence which would place him in the vicinity of where Mary was last seen and that may exist.
Snip
Mary vanished in Cashelard in March 1977. Former detective Clark says he has evidence van driver Black was working in the area at the time.

Clark said Black returned in 1978, raising fears he was hunting for another victim.

“There is confirmation that when Mary went missing Black was a regular visitor at a pub in County Donegal. He appears on a Garda charge sheet for after hours drinking,” he said.
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/07/27/cold-case-expert-robert-black-killed-mary-boyle-and-came-back-to-donegal-intending-to-kill-again/

Just because a conspiracy theorist has decided she 'knows' better than the police ... why ignore the fact that Mary could have fallen victim to a child serial killer who might have used his tried and tested method for bundling little girls into his van ... and go with the conspiracy yet again.

I despair of the ease with which the rule of law is being cast aside by some to be replaced with a cheer leader ~ a video camera ~ the internet and a mandatory baying mob.
There is a burden of proof required to enable justice to work.  Sigh ... how lightly our rights are dispensed with to be so lightly replaced by the proper camera angle ~ preferably a fly over drone ~ and the ever present conspiracy theory.

Every 'burglary gone wrong', ' child smuggling network and 'it was the gypsies what done it' in this case is a conspiracy theory. Not sure I've ever heard you complain about those.

My, my Miss O hasn't even published her article yet and the knives are out ! Poor woman, she doesn't know what she's let herself in for.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2018, 12:34:27 AM »
Every 'burglary gone wrong', ' child smuggling network and 'it was the gypsies what done it' in this case is a conspiracy theory. Not sure I've ever heard you complain about those.

My, my Miss O hasn't even published her article yet and the knives are out ! Poor woman, she doesn't know what she's let herself in for.

Hmmm ... "Black may also have been responsible for several other unsolved child murders throughout Britain, Ireland and continental Europe between 1969 and 1987."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer)

If a child serial killer was in the area from which Mary Black disappeared at the time she disappeared in my opinion it would be a bit of an oversight to rule him out of the equation in favour of some conspiracy theory or other.

Black was convicted of killing one Irish child, nine year old Jennifer Cardy.  So he was there.

Another Irish child vanished, six year old Mary Boyle.  He may have been there.

How many other Irish girls of that age have been abducted and murdered by a stranger?  Why these two girls from areas where Black's driving job took him?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2018, 12:49:06 AM »
Hmmm ... "Black may also have been responsible for several other unsolved child murders throughout Britain, Ireland and continental Europe between 1969 and 1987."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer)

If a child serial killer was in the area from which Mary Black disappeared at the time she disappeared in my opinion it would be a bit of an oversight to rule him out of the equation in favour of some conspiracy theory or other.

Black was convicted of killing one Irish child, nine year old Jennifer Cardy.  So he was there.

Another Irish child vanished, six year old Mary Boyle.  He may have been there.

How many other Irish girls of that age have been abducted and murdered by a stranger?  Why these two girls from areas where Black's driving job took him?

Of course it is possible but we have no evidence Black was ever questioned about the disappearance of Mary Boyle and several policemen working on the case at the time certainly believe the blame lies elsewhere and they obviously are party to more information than us.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2018, 11:24:49 AM »
Of course it is possible but we have no evidence Black was ever questioned about the disappearance of Mary Boyle and several policemen working on the case at the time certainly believe the blame lies elsewhere and they obviously are party to more information than us.

It took a long time to link the atrocities perpetrated by this man to him ... I believe HOLMES may have been used in Jennifer Cardy's case many years after he killed her ... and the forensics he left behind helped to convict him thirty years down the line.

The police have absolutely no idea how many little girls may have fallen victim to this man nor do they know where many of them were thrown like so much rubbish ... in my opinion probably in water as it features in killings where there was enough evidence to convict him.

A retired detective claims to have proof Black was in Paderborn when Katrice Lee vanished ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3592580/Did-serial-killer-Robert-Black-snatch-two-year-old-girl-British-Army-base-Germany-three-decades-ago.html

In my opinion it is reprehensible to accuse people who may be innocent of any crime particularly if there is obviously not sufficient evidence to warrant the police investigating under caution.
It is even more reprehensible for this doyen of the conspiracy theory to point an accusatory finger at Mary Boyle's mother which will no doubt encourager les autres.

There are many crimes which Black may have been guilty of and only his carelessness or arrogance enabled his eventual downfall to enable anyone to link his movements to any of them.

In my opinion the extraordinary denial of the presence of serial killers and kidnappers in our world in preference to mounting a hue and cry of conspiracy when a child disappears is highly intriguing particularly as it deflects from the task of eliminating a monster from our society.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Erngath

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2018, 12:01:04 PM »
Every 'burglary gone wrong', ' child smuggling network and 'it was the gypsies what done it' in this case is a conspiracy theory. Not sure I've ever heard you complain about those.

My, my Miss O hasn't even published her article yet and the knives are out ! Poor woman, she doesn't know what she's let herself in for.

" The knives were out "for Summers and Swan , long before their book was published.
Poor people had no idea of the vitriol that would be heading their way.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline jassi

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2018, 12:08:09 PM »
Put your head above the parapet, expect to get it shot off.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2018, 01:41:01 PM »
Who told the police to back off.....any evidence

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2018, 01:45:59 PM »
Robert Black report.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.