When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.

[pathfinder73]

If it wasn't Madeleine it would have been someone else? Nobody else has disappeared. It's a one-off for PDL but if idiots leave small defenceless children unguarded in an unlocked apartment or is that what they want you to think? Anyone can enter an unlocked apartment. You don't need no key like Gerry lol. Which one do you think it is for intelligent people? Is neglect the better option? Or are they really irresponsible idiots leaving doors unlocked and telling the truth?

[Brietta]

If it wasn't Madeleine it would have been someone else? Nobody else has disappeared. It's a one-off for PDL but if idiots leave small defenceless children unguarded in an unlocked apartment or is that what they want you to think? Anyone can enter an unlocked apartment. You don't need no key like Gerry lol. Which one do you think it is for intelligent people? Is neglect the better option? Or are they really irresponsible idiots leaving doors unlocked and telling the truth?

Children were being assaulted in their beds while their parents slept in the room next door ... it happened ... so who is guilty?
If Madeleine was abducted by a stranger ... who is guilty?

In both instances I think it would be the aggressor ... and no-one else.

[Eleanor]

Out of any of the apartments I am familiar with in the Ocean Club it is one which in my opinion readily lends itself to ease of access and the occupancy of an appropriate child. Just a matter of time and if not Madeleine it would have been someone else.
It was easy to access particularly if a key had been provided ... and it was easy to exit from unobserved.  I think the choice of apartment may well have been a factor.

Well, that's what I think.  That Appartment was the most easy from which to steal a child.  It could have been any girl child of that approximate age.  Up stairs and down a corridor would have been too complicated.

Anyone who wants a girl child wouldn't want a street urchin who might have been ill bred and neglected.

It had to have been planned.  This is just logic.

[Eleanor]

If it wasn't Madeleine it would have been someone else? Nobody else has disappeared. It's a one-off for PDL but if idiots leave small defenceless children unguarded in an unlocked apartment or is that what they want you to think? Anyone can enter an unlocked apartment. You don't need no key like Gerry lol. Which one do you think it is for intelligent people? Is neglect the better option? Or are they really irresponsible idiots leaving doors unlocked and telling the truth?

You could try making some sense.  But never mind, eh, what.

[sadie]

Could it have been the appartment that was planned?  there was bound to be a girl child of that age in there at some point.

That apartment was crying out to be broken into IMO.  So easy to watch front and back from the balcony on block 6.  So easy to get into it with a key, totally unobserved by anyone.  That front door was hidden, out of sight and in a black hole that no-one would see an intruder going in or out.

Another thought is that if Madeleine was abducted for someone who wanted to keep his pure and VERY SPECIAL bloodline going when it was about to die out via an impotent wife ... and Madeleine was of his pure bloodline and a highly desirable mother for a future child to be born, then perhaps he made it his business to find out all about Madeleine. 

Perhaps he knew about Madeleine staying at OC and arranged for her to be in that particular, easy to enter, in a hidden way, apartment.

This, of course, would involve some input from OC employees.

Only my ideas which may or may not be correct

[slartibartfast]

That apartment was crying out to be broken into IMO.  So easy to watch front and back from the balcony on block 6.  So easy to get into it with a key, totally unobserved by anyone.  That front door was hidden, out of sight and in a black hole that no-one would see an intruder going in or out.

Another thought is that if Madeleine was abducted for someone who wanted to keep his pure and VERY SPECIAL bloodline going when it was about to die out via an impotent wife ... and Madeleine was of his pure bloodline and a highly desirable mother for a future child to be born, then perhaps he made it his business to find out all about Madeleine. 

Perhaps he knew about Madeleine staying at OC and arranged for her to be in that particular, easy to enter, in a hidden way, apartment.

This, of course, would involve some input from OC employees.

Only my ideas which may or may not be correct

Or another idea, I think Mohamed Fayed has a very interesting point to make.

Diana was a member of the Grail blood line and her correctly sired children could continue the legacy of the Holy Grail. She was going to marry Dodi, but under advice of the Catholic Church in France she did not go through with this action and she left by the back entrance of the hotel she was staying at after finishing the relationship. The Pope did not know about this change of heart and so arranged for the fatal crash to take place using his own Fiat Uno (translation ‘let there be one’) and once she was in hospital her eggs were removed by a pro-Catholic surgeon. It was hoped that the death of Mother Teresa would divert the world’s media attention from the death of Diana, but this did not work.

These eggs where stored by Opus Deus members who then planted them in to Kate McCann. These eggs were fertilized by JFK’s sperm, which was collected by the mafia in the hospital in Dallas, Texas when he was shot. JFK was also part of the bloodline of the Grail and the union of Marilyn Munroe would have produced a new Grail child and heir to the throne of Jerusalem. This was stopped when Marilyn was killed by orders of the Communist Party in Cuba who did not want JFK gaining more power and over throwing Castro.

The reason that the fertilization of the egg took part 7 years after Diana’s crash was the problem getting JFK’s sperm from the US, and finding a suitable family to foster the new Grail child. The Kate and Jerry McCann’s are a Catholic family and received orders from the Pope to carry and raise this child. Madeleine (Mary Magdalene - mother of the original Grail child) has the unique eye pattern that all heirs to the Grail thrown possess.

Madeleine McCann went to Portugal (Catholic country) with her family to undertake instruction to become the new Queen of Jerusalem. It was hoped that with the new Pope, she would rise to her duties and unite the Christian Church and over throw the up rising of Islam in Europe and Africa. This was also backed by the Skull and Bones sect in the US, as well as members of the New World Order.

Madeleine was abducted from orders of Osman Bin Laden who foresaw her rise to power and the problems this would cause in his rise to world power. She was moved to Morocco and then on to Pakistan where she will be forced to breed with the bloodline of Mohammed to produce a super bloodline.

[Robittybob1]

As the OP asks "So when he (DP) says "as the door was shut" when is he making that assessment about the door?

IMO that means when he rushes back to look,  because it was closed and Kate had found the other doors closed has he ruled out wandering off?  The Tapas 7 can't have ruled out wandering immediately for all the searches completed in the first 10 -20 minutes were for a girl that had wandered off.

[Robittybob1]

Does anyone agree with me "The Tapas 7 can't have ruled out Madeleine wandering off immediately for all the searches completed in the first 10-20 minutes were for a girl that had wandered off"?

[sadie]

Does anyone agree with me "The Tapas 7 can't have ruled out Madeleine wandering off immediately for all the searches completed in the first 10-20 minutes were for a girl that had wandered off"?

I think they HOPED that she had wandered off, rather than been abducted.   After a quick search their thoughts must have turned to abduction, especially after Jane Tanners sighting

[sadie]

Or another idea, I think Mohamed Fayed has a very interesting point to make.

Diana was a member of the Grail blood line and her correctly sired children could continue the legacy of the Holy Grail. She was going to marry Dodi, but under advice of the Catholic Church in France she did not go through with this action and she left by the back entrance of the hotel she was staying at after finishing the relationship. The Pope did not know about this change of heart and so arranged for the fatal crash to take place using his own Fiat Uno (translation ‘let there be one’) and once she was in hospital her eggs were removed by a pro-Catholic surgeon. It was hoped that the death of Mother Teresa would divert the world’s media attention from the death of Diana, but this did not work.

These eggs where stored by Opus Deus members who then planted them in to Kate McCann. These eggs were fertilized by JFK’s sperm, which was collected by the mafia in the hospital in Dallas, Texas when he was shot. JFK was also part of the bloodline of the Grail and the union of Marilyn Munroe would have produced a new Grail child and heir to the throne of Jerusalem. This was stopped when Marilyn was killed by orders of the Communist Party in Cuba who did not want JFK gaining more power and over throwing Castro.

The reason that the fertilization of the egg took part 7 years after Diana’s crash was the problem getting JFK’s sperm from the US, and finding a suitable family to foster the new Grail child. The Kate and Jerry McCann’s are a Catholic family and received orders from the Pope to carry and raise this child. Madeleine (Mary Magdalene - mother of the original Grail child) has the unique eye pattern that all heirs to the Grail thrown possess.

Madeleine McCann went to Portugal (Catholic country) with her family to undertake instruction to become the new Queen of Jerusalem. It was hoped that with the new Pope, she would rise to her duties and unite the Christian Church and over throw the up rising of Islam in Europe and Africa. This was also backed by the Skull and Bones sect in the US, as well as members of the New World Order.

Madeleine was abducted from orders of Osman Bin Laden who foresaw her rise to power and the problems this would cause in his rise to world power. She was moved to Morocco and then on to Pakistan where she will be forced to breed with the bloodline of Mohammed to produce a super bloodline.

Interesting.

Where did you get this from slarti ?

[Robittybob1]

I think they HOPED that she had wandered off, rather than been abducted.   After a quick search their thoughts must have turned to abduction, especially after Jane Tanners sighting

I have been trying to pin point when the information about what Jane saw was told to the rest. It seems to be at odds to a woke and wandering scenario.

[sadie]

I have been trying to pin point when the information about what Jane saw was told to the rest. It seems to be at odds to a woke and wandering scenario.

It's in one of the statements, I think ... but sorry apart from it being a Tapas group statement I cant recall whose it was in.  Maybe Janes? or Fionas?

Please dont spend all day looking for it because someone will turn it up eventually, if I am right.

[Robittybob1]

It's in one of the statements, I think ... but sorry apart from it being a Tapas group statement I cant recall whose it was in.  Maybe Janes? or Fionas?

Please dont spend all day looking for it because someone will turn it up eventually, if I am right.

I've put all statements in each alphabetical section on a single Word file and then I can search for a specific word and find things real quick.  The Tapas 7 file is 745 pages long.  I'll look for the word "carrying" OK carrying comes up 65 times.
First was Rachael Rogatory "00:54:03 1485 "The fact that Jane had come back having seen a male carrying a child.'
 Reply "Mm.'
1485 "Could you introduce that within your recollection''
 Reply "I can, err it was never mentioned at that table when she came back, err when we went, you know, looking for Madeleine after err Fiona told me that she'd, you know, mentioned this to Fiona and you know so it's, obviously Fiona's statement's probably more important from this point of view exactly what she said about it.'
1485 "Yeah, yeah.'
 Reply "But I know from Fiona that this was mentioned and I think it was in the context that she was really worried saying anything to Kate to, to upset her which you know looking from, from people observing out, in at this, they'll probably think well hang on, you think that someone's just seen, but you know, again, it was a, a resort where there was a lot of children around err very, it's a small friendly place and she just thought it was one of the parents who you know was perhaps, you know they'd be staying in one apartment and were transferring their child back to another apartment.'
1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "And really didn't think twice about it at the time and that's why it wasn't mentioned then. But she definitely mentioned it to me you know after Madeleine had been abducted and you know on the, the following day before she'd actually mentioned it to Kate and there was a, a newspaper report, I think it was in the Telegraph err certainly one of the newspapers anyway, that was sort of describing err Madeleine's pyjamas and, and err Jane said that's not right, how did they get that, well she said you know, that in, I don't know how they get that information anyway,...."
Gerald must have known about it before they drew up the timelines. 

[Robittybob1]

Problem with this method is that I find a result in this long file but I struggle to know who was the witness being interviewed

[slartibartfast]

Interesting.

Where did you get this from slarti ?

Oh I couldn’t reveal my source.