Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!

[Mr Gray]

Do you really believe the forensics were applied properly?  Weren't the sheets from the bed Madeleine slept on  laundered the following day?

the sheets were sent to the laundry instead of to the forensic lab

[Alice Purjorick]

1) Do you really believe the forensics were applied properly?  2)Weren't the sheets from the bed Madeleine slept on  laundered the following day?

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1) How would I know? I have no access to exctly what was done anymore than anyone else on here has acccess to it. So guess away if you wish but I prefer not to.
2) That is scarcely relevant unless you can prove the wondrous beast hid on top of or under the bed covers.

[Mr Gray]

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1) How would I know? I have no access to exctly what was done anymore than anyone else on here has acccess to it. So guess away if you wish but I prefer not to.
2) That is scarcely relevant unless you can prove the wondrous beast hid on top of or under the bed covers.

Then you do not know that the alleged abductor left no trace...as you posted...there may well have  multiple traces and evidence left......and it may be all in the washing machine

[pathfinder73]

- various hairs from the top of the bed where the missing child was sleeping, they being placed inside a paper envelope in accordance with instructions issued by the Biology Section of the LPC and referenced as trace evidence #3;

A search was also made for possible biological traces and fibres on the single bed from where the minor disappeared, using a variable-wave light source appropriate for the task, the result obtained having been negative.

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

[Robittybob1]

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1) How would I know? I have no access to exctly what was done anymore than anyone else on here has acccess to it. So guess away if you wish but I prefer not to.
2) That is scarcely relevant unless you can prove the wondrous beast hid on top of or under the bed covers.

well I don't know what's true either but I have seen it said several times that the sheets were laundered.  So was the apartment secured as a crime scene or not?  When was it secured?  How was it secured?
  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9016.msg441183#msg441183

[Robittybob1]

- various hairs from the top of the bed where the missing child was sleeping, they being placed inside a paper envelope in accordance with instructions issued by the Biology Section of the LPC and referenced as trace evidence #3;

A search was also made for possible biological traces and fibres on the single bed from where the minor disappeared, using a variable-wave light source appropriate for the task, the result obtained having been negative.

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

Once again no mention of the sheets or the pillow case.

[Robittybob1]

Alice are you standing by the claim "A mystical wondrous beast that left no trace discernible to modern [2007 style] forensic science."?

[misty]

IMO the intruder entered the apartment via the front door after Matthew had made his way back to the Tapas following the 9pm check. Having been in the process of sedating Madeleine in the children's room, he/she was interrupted by the unanticipated sound of Gerry opening the patio door (a door noisy enough to be heard in the apartment upstairs).
 There were only 2 places the intruder could have moved to quickly without being seen by Gerry - the bathroom or the parents' bedroom. Bathrooms generally have few hiding places (Psycho-style shower curtains aside) so my assertion is that he/she entered the parents' bedroom & hid behind the floor-length curtains at the window. The PJ did not forensically test the parents' bedroom on 3/5/07 or thereafter for prints/hairs/footprints/DNA.
That scenario accounts for 2 door moves before the 9.30 check.

All MOO.

[pathfinder73]

Once again no mention of the sheets or the pillow case.

You can see them here.

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[Alice Purjorick]

Then you do not know that the alleged abductor left no trace...as you posted...there may well have  multiple traces and evidence left......and it may be all in the washing machine

I has a question.
How did they put the wardrobe in the washing machine?
My comment about the bed was obviously down to my sense of the ridiculous.
Gerry would have seen anyone hiding as I suggested whilst having his "proud father" moment.

[Robittybob1]

You can see them here.

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OK they were there when the photos were taken. on the 4th May.  So where did the idea that the sheets were laundered come from?  Did the cleaners admit to removing them?

[sadie]

IMO the intruder entered the apartment via the front door after Matthew had made his way back to the Tapas following the 9pm check. Having been in the process of sedating Madeleine in the children's room, he/she was interrupted by the unanticipated sound of Gerry opening the patio door (a door noisy enough to be heard in the apartment upstairs).
 There were only 2 places the intruder could have moved to quickly without being seen by Gerry - the bathroom or the parents' bedroom. Bathrooms generally have few hiding places (Psycho-style shower curtains aside) so my assertion is that he/she entered the parents' bedroom & hid behind the floor-length curtains at the window. The PJ did not forensically test the parents' bedroom on 3/5/07 or thereafter for prints/hairs/footprints/DNA.
That scenario accounts for 2 door moves before the 9.30 check.

All MOO.

I like your reasoning misty, but how could the abductor have got across to the parents bedroom without Gerry seeing him?  It doesn't take long to open a patio door and step in.

Also, i am doubtful if the abductor could have even made it to the bathroom in the time to open that Patio door and step in


Unless, of course, he was last minute warned by someone outside watching and just had the time to do that before the patio door opened.  All very risky though.... and he must have moved on from the bathroom because Gerry used the loo before returning to the restaurant, didn't he?

[sadie]

I like your reasoning misty, but how could the abductor have got across to the parents bedroom without Gerry seeing him?  It doesn't take long to open a patio door and step in.

Also, i am doubtful if the abductor could have even made it to the bathroom in the time to open that Patio door and step in


Unless, of course, he was last minute warned by someone outside watching and just had the time to do that before the patio door opened.  All very risky though.... and he must have moved on from the bathroom because Gerry used the loo before returning to the restaurant, didn't he?

Do we know the order of the places Gerry went in 5A?   Because it might just have been possible that Gerry used the loo first, then an abductor would have had time to move out of Madeleines bedroom and hide, say, in the kitchen.

Risky !   Phwew !

[Robittybob1]

OK they were there when the photos were taken. on the 4th May.  So where did the idea that the sheets were laundered come from?  Did the cleaners admit to removing them?

This is what one statement said
MARINA PAULA RAPOSA BAPTISTA CASTELA
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-CASTELA.htm
". She further adds that the respective travel agency contacted and activated the 'CHILD CARE' service. This service is composed of employees of British nationality, who are installed for their length of service in the tourist complex. On the eve of check-in, this service is directed by the administration of the Ocean Club with and end to collecting the key to the respective apartment. Given that this service is related to the travel agency, it is they who give the keys to the guests, and not the 'Ocean Club.' This service is who was responsible for the placement of children's beds in the rooms. The deponent further states that her responsibility is the hygiene of the apartments, not touching the children's beds, as it is the CHILD CARE service which effects the changing of bed linens of these same beds;

Has anyone got a clue what that means?

[Carana]

You can see them here.

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A problem is that 6 of the hairs on the bed apparently went AWOL, as I've mentioned before.