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Offline Brietta

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #150 on: January 21, 2018, 12:28:02 AM »
And ?

And ... anything on this thread which refers to anything other than an intruder in Madeleine's room is off topic so maybe you can think of something sensible to say along those lines to bring us all back on track.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #151 on: January 21, 2018, 12:43:38 AM »
And ... anything on this thread which refers to anything other than an intruder in Madeleine's room is off topic so maybe you can think of something sensible to say along those lines to bring us all back on track.

It was you who mentioned Mr Smith and his going to the police 13 days after his sighting so with the greatest respect it was you who was taking the thread off track.

That being said why do you think Mr Smith waited so long ? You don't think it was for nefarious reasons do you ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #152 on: January 21, 2018, 01:39:58 AM »
This usually happens with the passage of time and professional police officers are well aware of it. Research has shown that it is relatively easy to introduce false memory. Media coverage or written recollections by other witnesses - if reviewed by a witness - could suggest "facts" to the witness. Witnesses will often discuss the occurrence amongst themselves and false memories can result. The most reliable statements are those taken almost immediately following any incident, statements taken months after an event are usually less reliable and open to question.

I agree with the first part of that, and I'd agree more or less with the last part - except that there is no way of knowing what was actually said as opposed to what got typed up in the summary statements.

What I did read, but still haven't been able to find again, was advice to witnesses of any crime to write down their recollections to try to preserve the initial memories. On the other hand, I can't see how that's always true.

To take a different setting, for some reason I sometimes get cold-callers from research institutes and if I find them genuine and if I have a few minutes, I usually oblige. I know that I've sometimes answered questions, then realised later that what I'd said wasn't quite correct. If they'd rung me back, I'd have corrected what I'd said, but they never do.

Sometimes I get annoyed with research questions (social or marketing, for example) which generally only offer a few options. A lot of the time, I find that answers don't necessarily fit with the options available, which ends up skewing the results. Some of the more interesting ones, IMO, were those that didn't stop at the set multiple-choice answers, but also offered an opportunity for interviewees to explain to what degree they agreed or didn't and why.

Offline Brietta

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #153 on: January 21, 2018, 01:42:55 AM »
It was you who mentioned Mr Smith and his going to the police 13 days after his sighting so with the greatest respect it was you who was taking the thread off track.

That being said why do you think Mr Smith waited so long ? You don't think it was for nefarious reasons do you ?

Actually I do know the reason Mr Smith gave for that ... I am astounded with your depth of knowledge of the case that apparently you've never stumbled across it.

I'm sure there is an appropriate thread where we can discuss Mr Smith yet again.
However, as I've already pointed out this particular discussion is way off topic.  We shall now return to discussing "Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!"
Thank you.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #154 on: January 21, 2018, 01:45:47 AM »
In the room or in the flat?


Offline faithlilly

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #155 on: January 21, 2018, 01:54:57 AM »
Actually I do know the reason Mr Smith gave for that ... I am astounded with your depth of knowledge of the case that apparently you've never stumbled across it.

I'm sure there is an appropriate thread where we can discuss Mr Smith yet again.
However, as I've already pointed out this particular discussion is way off topic.  We shall now return to discussing "Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!"
Thank you.

Sigh...I know why Mr Smith said he waited so long, I just wasn't sure that you did.

Anyway back on topic.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #156 on: January 21, 2018, 09:16:24 AM »
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Time and time again you have to use your own opinion based on absolutely no evidence to explain away an anomaly within the McCann narrative. Doesn't that ever give you pause for thought ? ( genuine question )

This is a debating forum - obviously I post my own opinions on different subjects.   Doesn't everyone?   Don't you?   Just because you don't agree with my opinions doesn't make them invalid.

You recently posted YOUR own opinion describing a completely different scenario for when Gerry checked his children to the one he gave in his statement - even though there is no evidence in the files to back up your opinion.    No-one criticised you for voicing that opinion.   

If you disagree with the content of my post - then feel free to challenge it.

AIMHO
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #157 on: January 21, 2018, 09:52:42 AM »
In the room or in the flat?
In the room to open the window but in the apartment (flat) and hiding whilst Gerry was in there.
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Offline barrier

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #158 on: January 21, 2018, 09:55:47 AM »
In the room to open the window but in the apartment (flat) and hiding whilst Gerry was in there.

I must have missed it,couldn't provide a link to the police investigation where its been established there was an intruder in 5a?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #159 on: January 21, 2018, 10:07:07 AM »
I must have missed it,couldn't provide a link to the police investigation where its been established there was an intruder in 5a?
As in the OP - Rachael's rogatory.  "Rachael Rogatory "yeah I mean we basically came to the conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room when Gerry had gone in to check'"

It was the conclusion of the Tapas friends. I have never made out the PJ have established this.
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Offline barrier

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #160 on: January 21, 2018, 10:13:51 AM »
As in the OP - Rachael's rogatory.  "Rachael Rogatory "yeah I mean we basically came to the conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room when Gerry had gone in to check'"

It was the conclusion of the Tapas friends. I have never made out the PJ have established this.

Then the thread title should convey that imo.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #161 on: January 21, 2018, 10:31:46 AM »
Then the thread title should convey that imo.
No - the thread title is limited to a set number of characters  (bit like a headline in a newspaper, it is there to catch your eye.  It is a matter of reading the OP to understand the thread IMO.  I do try to make the heading explain what the thread is about for research purposes.
The heading "Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!"  I could change it if you suggest something better.  "Conclusion by Tapas wives that somebody would have had to have been in the room!  would that be better?

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Offline Lace

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #162 on: January 21, 2018, 11:04:44 AM »
The abductor need not have been in the room when Gerry did his check.

I don't believe he was working alone. 

After Matt's check,  the abductor would think he/she had half an hour before the next check,   he goes into the bedroom,  but then gets alerted by accomplice that Gerry was on his way,  the abductor quickly slips back out through the front door.    When Gerry leaves,   he opens the window so that he could make an escape if anyone else suddenly makes an appearance,   takes Madeleine and hands her over to accomplice.

IMO
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Offline barrier

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #163 on: January 21, 2018, 11:12:20 AM »
The abductor need not have been in the room when Gerry did his check.

I don't believe he was working alone. 

After Matt's check,  the abductor would think he/she had half an hour before the next check,   he goes into the bedroom,  but then gets alerted by accomplice that Gerry was on his way,  the abductor quickly slips back out through the front door.    When Gerry leaves,   he opens the window so that he could make an escape if anyone else suddenly makes an appearance,   takes Madeleine and hands her over to accomplice.

What abductor? is it no longer a requirement to add imo,or is it a given that the Justice Forum concludes that an abduction is the only scenario.
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Offline Carana

Re: Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!
« Reply #164 on: January 21, 2018, 11:18:54 AM »
No - the thread title is limited to a set number of characters  (bit like a headline in a newspaper, it is there to catch your eye.  It is a matter of reading the OP to understand the thread IMO.  I do try to make the heading explain what the thread is about for research purposes.
The heading "Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!"  I could change it if you suggest something better.  "Conclusion by Tapas wives that somebody would have had to have been in the room!  would that be better?

How about: "Could "abductor" have been in room?" Or in flat, seeing as we've been discussing potential hiding places beyond the room.